Trucks rolled at EWR

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  1. Jul 15, 2007 #1

    SpatialD

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    Friday, the 13th - EWR ground: "Truck 1, the subject aircraft is the next to land"

    We're in line and look out on approach and, yep, it was one of ours. It looked like they had all the ARFF vehicles in EWR down at the end of the runway to escort them to the gate. It didn't burst into flames or anything - just wondering if anyone knows what it was about.
     
  2. Jul 15, 2007 #2

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    There could have been a number of things that caused ths from a flap fail, L/G disagree, L/G lever actuator fail blah blah blah blah. All that really counts is that our a/c landed safely and nothing happened.
     
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    Keep in mind, that ARFF always prefer to roll and be in position from operation advantage of their mission should their services be needed. Also, many financial aspects such as additional funding, equipment upgrades, etc. depend on the number of cases that ARFF had to respond to. So rolling for most possible emergencies helps them do their job better and also allows them to keep their jobs ( well - sort of).
     
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    Besides, the guys need some excitement! Imagine sitting locked up in a tiny hold area your entire shift..... wait, that sounds like us!?
     
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    Embry Riddle pilot onboard, a true emergency.
     
  6. Jul 15, 2007 #6

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    I don't know why I laughed so much at that..
     
  7. Jul 15, 2007 #7

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    Probably cause you are from Texas.
     
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    So maybe a suggestion for next year's AIM should be:

    Embry Riddle Prescot pilot = pan pan pan

    Embry Riddle Daytona pilot = mayday mayday mayday
     
  9. Jul 16, 2007 #9

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    or a female pilot........:p
     
  10. Jul 16, 2007 #10

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    BIGBRO,
    In reference to the alert. If it is an in flight emergency at least down here in Houston we will roll the whole station that protects that runway and it will be classified as an ALERT 2. That will be 6000gal of water and 800 gal.
    of foam plus 450 lbs of purple "k" and some halotron just in case we need it, and alot more help will be coming.
    We don't mind getting out of the house and we will bring plenty of help with us

    LATER

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  11. Jul 16, 2007 #11

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    One other thing, Don't you guys and gals ever think twice about calling us that's what we are there for



    ALEC
     
  12. Jul 16, 2007 #12

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    I just want to say thanks to all for your very astute responses. Really.
     
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    yeah, we used CLE's services a few months ago, the guys from ARFF that talked to us at the gate seemed almost happy we turned their lazy weekend morning into something to do.
     
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    Alec,
    Can you tell us what the different levels of alert are and what they mean to you?
     
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    yeah, I'm curious to know what they mean to him as well, and who provides the logistics of a potential emergency -notify hospitals, getting EMS, police etc etc etc.


    ...this made some other forum awhile back:


    PHOENIX REGIONAL STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES

    It talks about what the 3 levels are as well as specific info for PHX airport

    Alert 1: Indicates an aircraft is having minor difficulties (i.e., minor oil leak; one engine out on a three- or four-engine commercial aircraft or one engine out on a two-engine general aviation aircraft; fire warning lights; etc.). A safe landing is expected.

    Alert 2: Indicates that an aircraft is having major difficulties (i.e., a positive indication of fire on board the aircraft; faulty landing gear; no hydraulic pressure; engine failure on a two-engine large aircraft; etc.). A difficult or crash landing may be expected.
    Alert 3: Indicates that an aircraft has crashed on or off the airport, or there is a high probability the aircraft will crash, or the pilot has indicated that the aircraft landing gear will not work and, therefore, the pilot will have to crash land on the airport.
     
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    If that's true, Fire & Rescue is gonna be outta their box a lot soon. . . but then, I still have all the new-hire stuff to get through, including the sim, which I understand has every flight as an emergency.
     
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    Most all of our alerts come in as ALERT 2, which could be a number of things from hydraulic problems, to an engine out,it could be a medical emergency. I'm not going to go into everthing because you guys are aware of the problems that could crop up.
    The information that we get is what you guys tell ATC, now granted you guys are busy and by the time we get it, the information might change a little bit but we are happy with whatever we get. It gives us an idea as to what is coming.
    Depending on whatever runway you are coming in on, that station will deploy it's resources out on that runway. The rest of the airport stations will standby at the trucks just in case you guys decide to change runways,and it has happened in the past plenty of times, which is not a big thing.
    I have been told that ATC just gets the plane headed in the right direction and it's the PILOTS CALL on where and how he wants to land the aircraft.
    When they have changed runways in the past they usually come to my side of the airport because of 15L (12000)
    As for an ALERT 3 GOD FORBIDE then the whole airport will respond along with alot of help from the outside. Remember 2 years ago when the 145 taking off on 9 blew his left mains that was classic example of how the emergency plan comes together. We were getting calls from all over the country telling us how we had our STUFF together. When something that big does happen then the incident command system goes into effect.
    I hope I answered evrybodies questions. Let me know if you need some more info
    LATER
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    JEDI,
    I think that when you have a couple of emergencies under your belt you will see that the ARFF GUYS have their stuff together. My biggest thing is communication with the flight crew ounce they get on the ground and are able to talk with us. It's not like you guys have rear view mirrors, you know something is wrong and if nobody talks to you then the doors will pop open and out will come the passengers because that is ya'lls sole responsibility the passengers

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  19. Jul 17, 2007 #19

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    I actually visited the ARFF station over by 15L when I was an intern here last summer and I must say, the facility and equipment you guys have over there, as well as the personnel, are absolutely top notch. We had a great time goin out riding on the trucks and shooting the water cannon, etc.... It was also great to see some of the tapes you guys have over there of actual emergencies you've dealt with in the past. Once again, thanks for all the great work you guys do, let us know if you ever have any questions!
     
  20. Jul 17, 2007 #20

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    Alex,
    Any time. We have had alot of the interns come over for the 50 CENT TOUR we love doing it.
    One other thing (excuse me mods) I am a moderator on another board along with Anthony Lorenti one of you guys. Anthony and I have talked about getting the Pilots and Arff together so that we will have a better understanding of what we both do. We interact with each other at the worst of times so why not talk about what we do.
    Our web addresse is ARFF.Info – Your Aircraft Rescue Fire Fighting Information Resource it's free to sign up.there is a ton of information to be had on there. The more pilots we get the better informed we will be when the time comes. When you go there click on the forums section

    LATER
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