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rvpilot

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Not atacking anyone on here, and I do have my facts right. So get YOUR facts in line beofre you you starting accusing someone. You seems to be good at name calling, but where are your facts?
Cowboy, reference the very post that started this thread. Here it is, so you don't have to go to the beginning. I even bolded the source and the author. These are the words of Jonathan Weisman, not PSUpilot or myself. BTW, show me an example of me "name calling."
The only one on here that has "name called", that I can remember, is FlyXJTnow (idiots), and I told him to "play nice."



Obama's Symbolic Importance | The Trail | washingtonpost.com
Obama's Symbolic Importance

Updated 10:59 a.m. 7/30/08
By Jonathan Weisman
In his closed door meeting with House Democrats Tuesday night, presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama delivered a real zinger, according to a witness, suggesting that he was beginning to believe his own hype.

Obama was waxing lyrical about last week's trip to Europe, when he concluded, according to the meeting attendee, "this is the moment, as Nancy [Pelosi] noted, that the world is waiting for."

The 200,000 souls who thronged to his speech in Berlin came not just for him, he told the enthralled audience of congressional representatives. "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions," he said, according to the source.

On Wednesday morning, House leadership aides pushed back against interpretations of this comment as self-aggrandizing, saying that when the presumptive Democratic nominee said, "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America," he was actually trying to deflect attention from himself.

No tape of the event exists and no one is denying the quote.

But one leadership aide said the full quote put it into a different context. According to that aide, Obama said, "It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign -- that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol."
 

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Cowboy, reference the very post that started this thread. Here it is, so you don't have to go to the beginning. I even bolded the source and the author. These are the words of Jonathan Weisman, not PSUpilot or myself. BTW, show me an example of me "name calling."
The only one on here that has "name called", that I can remember, is FlyXJTnow (idiots), and I told him to "play nice."

Example shown!
 

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.......He is dangerous because he has no effing clue on how to run this country.
Why do you think he has no idea on how to run this country. What is it that McCain says he will do that is better then Obama in your opinion. I am really curious what you think, I am not gonna attack you. I will debate if you are interested but I am really curious. Please refrain from attacks on his personality, just use policy proposals or changes he wants to make.
 

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Cowboy, reference the very post that started this thread. Here it is, so you don't have to go to the beginning. I even bolded the source and the author. These are the words of Jonathan Weisman, not PSUpilot or myself. BTW, show me an example of me "name calling."
The only one on here that has "name called", that I can remember, is FlyXJTnow (idiots), and I told him to "play nice."



Obama's Symbolic Importance | The Trail | washingtonpost.com
Obama's Symbolic Importance

Updated 10:59 a.m. 7/30/08
By Jonathan Weisman
In his closed door meeting with House Democrats Tuesday night, presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama delivered a real zinger, according to a witness, suggesting that he was beginning to believe his own hype.

Obama was waxing lyrical about last week's trip to Europe, when he concluded, according to the meeting attendee, "this is the moment, as Nancy [Pelosi] noted, that the world is waiting for."

The 200,000 souls who thronged to his speech in Berlin came not just for him, he told the enthralled audience of congressional representatives. "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions," he said, according to the source.

On Wednesday morning, House leadership aides pushed back against interpretations of this comment as self-aggrandizing, saying that when the presumptive Democratic nominee said, "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America," he was actually trying to deflect attention from himself.

No tape of the event exists and no one is denying the quote.

But one leadership aide said the full quote put it into a different context. According to that aide, Obama said, "It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign -- that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol."
The reference of calling someone a "TURD". When can argue this all day and night. Fact still remains that both of these guys are pandering to their own interests.
 

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"I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions,"

Returning to our best traditions??? If we were truly returning to our best traditions we wouldn't give a f*&k about what Germany thinks.

I'm totally against the man. He needs to worry about getting support from the people in the country he is trying to run instead of going international to kiss some ***. This isn't the only reason that I don't like him.
 

rvpilot

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The reference of calling someone a "TURD". When can argue this all day and night. Fact still remains that both of these guys are pandering to their own interests.
The "turd" comment was about Obama, not anyone who is posting on this thread.
 

rvpilot

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Example shown!
I am not sure how to take this. Just for clarification, FlyXJTnow said: "You guys are idiots." 3rd page, post #25

And I said: "Come on now, play nice!" 3rd page, post #29

By your use of large font size and bold letters, I get the impression you think I was the guilty party.
 

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Why do you think he has no idea on how to run this country. What is it that McCain says he will do that is better then Obama in your opinion. I am really curious what you think, I am not gonna attack you. I will debate if you are interested but I am really curious. Please refrain from attacks on his personality, just use policy proposals or changes he wants to make.
Obama is a socialist, no matter which way you look at it. He is for big government. Big government needs more of my tax dollars. We already work Jan-Apr to pay our taxes for the year. I am tired of it!
 

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Oooooh...he's dangerous! I'm so scared now!!
Can't criticize him; everyone who disagrees with him or says anything about the chosen one is a racist; and an ego that's larger than the state of Alaska...yes, that is dangerous. How do you think madmen come into existence? Do you think they are modest, down to earth people?

It's scary that Obama is using the race card already...I knew he was the type of man who would...but I never expected it this early. And it's over an ad talking about him as a celebrity...

So i reiterate...he is dangerous.
 

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Why do you think he has no idea on how to run this country. What is it that McCain says he will do that is better then Obama in your opinion. I am really curious what you think, I am not gonna attack you. I will debate if you are interested but I am really curious. Please refrain from attacks on his personality, just use policy proposals or changes he wants to make.
Prelude...answer the f-ing question and stop beating around the bush already. For the love of God...I could have a better debate with a d@mn mule. I referenced it in another thread already. Your cronie FlyXJT already asked me why support McCain. I will post it right below this thread. But I want to know...what does the President plan to do (he is President already right? Oh nevermind, I forgot, it's just his ego)? What does Barack Hussein Obama plan to do? Other than 'hope', and 'change we can believe in.' Please enlighten us poor souls who haven't come to recognize the second coming of Christ.
 

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Here is the aforementioned post...
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Well, I've told you why I'm supporting him.

-John McCain is a proven leader who has served our country one way or another for 50+ years. With McCain, there is no wondering if he is going to change his views from day to day to get votes. He has told it like it is.

-McCain's views on the war. He has experience dealing with foreign affairs. When everybody said the surge wouldn't work, John McCain was one of the only ones who stood up in support of it, even if it cost him the primary.

-McCain's views on the 2nd amendment.

-McCain's views on taxes. If you think Barack Obama is going to lower taxes, I think you need to go to the Betty Ford clinic to ween yourself off of whatever you're on.

-McCain's views on abortion.

-McCain's stance on offshore drilling, as well as energy.

**Now comes the fun part.

Barack Obama...

-No foreign experience. His whole background in foreign relations is merely a week-long trip to the middle east, speaking in Berlin, and taking a vacation in Paris. No military experience, and little else.
-Obama might say he won't raise taxes for certain income brackets; but I'd love to know how he would pay for a variety of his socialistic policies: his healthcare plan, etc...
-Obama's views on abortion.
-What exactly is Obama's plan for the future of energy? He had come out and said no offshore drilling, no nuclear plants, no ANWAR...what does he want us to do? Start walking to work and using horse and buggy to travel far (of course, some of the tree-huggers may claim the d@mn horses are emitting too many greenhouse gases when they take a ****).

We can go on and on about who each of us is gonna vote for. I'm not gonna change your mind, and you sure aren't gonna change mine. But see, the difference is--most McCain supporters at least know somewhat about what their candidate stands for. You can never get an Obama supporter to come out and say what this candidate wants to do. The classic response is "well it's change. He's someone different." Change???? What is he going to change? What will he do differently? Barack Hussein Obama is rated the most liberal senator. He has a proven track record of NOT reaching across the aisle. How will he accomplish change, if he refuses to listen to anybody else's opinion?

"Change you can believe in." "Hope." Purely empty, fancy phrases that mean absolutely nothing. Any one of us could run for office and say those same phrases and if we have charisma, it might sound pretty **** good. But does that mean we are qualified for, or should be elected to, the most powerful position in the world? Absolutely not. There are two kinds of Obama supporters: 1) partisan liberals ; 2) and people who are mesmerized by his talk; yet know nothing about him. FlyXJT, you sound like #1. Tell me, do YOU know what Barack Hussein Obama stands for?

I guarantee you that come November, McCain will be elected President. Name me the last hardcore liberal to win the White House. Still waiting...
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He has no foreign policy experience? I guess the "Anti nuclear proliferation" legislation he worked on didn't count.

Also, you can't be serious about Obama. I know what he stands for. If you actually did your homework you would to. He's written a few books, several articles, worked on bi partisan legislation and made public speeches. If you actually tried to educate yourself instead of just listening to the same old tired Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, and Orally rants you might learn something.

How does being a registered Independent who voted for the Republican nominee two of the past three elections make me a liberal partisan? I think its easy to confuse for people like you. You do realize that this administration is anything but conservative? Most people who seem left are actually pretty centered. You right wing whackos have high jacked conservatism and moved it to the extreme right. They're the radicals "My friend".
 
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rvpilot

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He has no foreign policy experience? I guess the "Anti nuclear proliferation" legislation he worked on didn't count.

Also, you can't be serious about Obama. I know what he stands for. If you actually did your homework you would to. He's written a few books, several articles, worked on bi partisan legislation and made public speeches. If you actually tried to educate yourself instead of just listening to the same old tired Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, and Orally rants you might learn something.

How does being a registered Independent who voted for the Republican nominee two of the past three elections make me a liberal partisan? I think its easy to confuse for people like you. You do realize that this administration is anything but conservative? Most people who seem left are actually pretty centered. You right wing whackos have high jacked conservatism and moved it to the extreme right. They're the radicals "My friend".
Wow, that is a very impressive resume, especially the public speeches!!! You're right, the leader of the free world, and Commander in Chief, needs to wright a few books and several articles to be qualified for the job!!! I think you convinced me to vote for him...NOT!!!

Again, play nice. Your true colors are showing through...
 

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I think Obama has more experience than Bush had when he took office. Governor of Texas doesn't really count for much since its a weak executive.
 

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Yes, please tell us PSU, since you are so concerned with the future president having an extensive knowledge of foreign policy, did you vote for George W. Bush in 2000? A guy who had less knowledge of what was going on in the world than an average third grader? Or maybe you weren't even old enough to vote then.
 

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Yes, please tell us PSU, since you are so concerned with the future president having an extensive knowledge of foreign policy, did you vote for George W. Bush in 2000? A guy who had less knowledge of what was going on in the world than an average third grader? Or maybe you weren't even old enough to vote then.
The guy had EXECUTIVE experience. Obama has NOTHING. Whoopie. A few speeches and an author. So, are you guys saying every professor or lecturer should run for President? Get it through your thick-skulled heads. McCain is more qualified, and everyone knows it.
 

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By the way PSU, your candidate McSame was against the new G.I. Bill and didn't even show up to vote on it. Obama supported it and voted for it.

Just another example of how your war hero is so pro troops. Maybe I'll add a new tid bit each day from the actual "record".

By the way. Obama made the same speech about him not looking like all the previous presidents on June 20th and McCain's staff didn't find it racist then. They even said at the time they didn't think he was playing the race card. Now all of a sudden they do? I guess they are starting to hit panic mode.
 

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Can't criticize him; everyone who disagrees with him or says anything about the chosen one is a racist; and an ego that's larger than the state of Alaska...yes, that is dangerous. How do you think madmen come into existence? Do you think they are modest, down to earth people?

It's scary that Obama is using the race card already...I knew he was the type of man who would...but I never expected it this early. And it's over an ad talking about him as a celebrity...

So i reiterate...he is dangerous.
You keep saying Obama is dangerous...but you have nothing to back it up with! I haven't seen him using the race card as your call it! Sames like good ol' McCain is in a panic and wants to use scare tactics to get people to vote for him. Looks like he is doing a great job with you. Come on show me some facts about him being dangerous!
 

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