Here we go. Read tonight's MEC Alert.

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  1. Jan 7, 2013 #301

    dojetdriver

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    If the XJT MEC agrees to a lower rate than ANYBODY has for the same equipment, it will be bad for us.

    If the combined pilot groups lets the CRJ handle things, theres no "may" about it. It WILL be bad for all of us.
     
  2. Jan 7, 2013 #302

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    Where are you getting those numbers? Because that is not what the CAL CPA says.

    Maybe...or maybe not. Once they have these rates for the LXJT side, they don't have to give the ASA side any of the dual class CRJs. Do you guys want to play with fire again?

    By the way, no line pilot will get a vote on this. It's either voted in by the XJT MEC or handed down by the arbitrator.

    Should not have stopped the merger by turning down dual tracks, super committees, arbitration, and finally giving ultimatums to management. Now management will exploit us all because they want rates one way or another.
     
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  3. Jan 7, 2013 #303

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    Trust me, I know, so I guess you could put me in the "lack of misunderstanding" crowd. New planes might be here in 5-7 years, but what the quotes in my post were meant to signify is that there will be people (hopefully very few) that will vote yes on a junk TA simply because it might in their eyes expedite the arrival of the "NEW AND LARGER SHINY JETS!!!"

    Thereby successfully falling for managements diversionary jet carrot. For the record, I do not have sjs. I have shiny QOL and shiny paycheck syndrome.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2013 #304

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    I just saw what I wrote....Lack of misunderstanding.......embarrassing.

    That's worse than irregardless.

    Never drink and post!!!
     
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  5. Jan 7, 2013 #305

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    Not to dismiss your point entirely, but keep in mind that if the company was losing $17,000,000 a quarter just prior to SOC, "saving" $50,000,000 annually isn't doing much other than breaking even again.

    It's something to keep in mind, at least. Has XJT regained profitability since SOC? I know that for at least a quarter or two they were losing money hand over fist.
     
  6. Jan 7, 2013 #306

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    According to the SKYW earnings call LXJT returned to profitability in March 2011.
     
  7. Jan 7, 2013 #307

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    What about the merged company? I freely admit I haven't listened to an earnings call in a minute.
     
  8. Jan 7, 2013 #308

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    Merged company not so much, but close.
     
  9. Jan 7, 2013 #309

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    The last Q showed a small operational profit.
     
  10. Jan 9, 2013 #310

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    Untill the MEC of the larger regionals understand that they NEED to bring the MEC's of all these smaller regionals to the table and commit to one direction of negotiations and build a working relationship we will always be fighting the race of the bottom feeders.
    Negotiations have stalled at almost all the regionals it is time to spend time getting together and building a firm foundation so when we are back in negotiations with the companies we will have a larger push behind the scenes working together.
     
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    Well pncl just porked everyone with their new contract crap...for that crap to pass is embarrassing to the industry
     
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    I think the major airlines know this, and thus press the "gun to the head" deals like we have seen in the last 4-5 years. Comair tried something like what you are suggesting with the RJDC and Delta and its pilots punished them for it. Even though other regional MECs lend negotiating assistance to these pilot groups, the majors know how to make them an "offer they can't refuse." This negates any relationships or synergy with other regional pilot groups when they are fighting for survival.
     
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    In this environment, bringing the competitors' MECs together and getting a "collective" stance on individual negotiations will do nothing. The two biggest obstacles in our negotiations are not normal contract negotiations, they are bankruptcy concessionary contracts. We can do NOTHING by talking with PNCL MEC, because a TA has already been agreed to by the MEC and the company. Unless the pilots vote it down, this will bring down the industry standard and there is no way we can influence it. The new industry standard will be lower next week than it is this week, and it will only damage our negotiations.
     
  16. Jan 10, 2013 #316

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    You people need to think past the talk phase if you want this industry to change. That goes for the Majors also because they will be hit from both ends soon and it will effect the rest of your careers.
     
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    Anyone ever hear anything as to the status of this? Bigger planes etc.
     
  18. Mar 14, 2013 #318

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    I believe the arbitrator has the new rates as does the union. Not sure when they'll disclose. No new a/c waiting in the wings but the company is better able to bid for future flying.
     

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