E175s/New labor contract.

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  1. Sep 20, 2018 #281

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    The graph compares our pay rate + EQO vs other reagionals pay rate (WITH OUT thier bounses and profit sharings) to give you an example: SkyWest pilots as of Sep 15th have received 12k+ in bonuses and profit sharings. But the NC comparison does not take that money into account!
    So body please explain why the comparison is not Apple to Apple yet illustrated as one.
     
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    The EQO rates are guaranteed…even after the contract expires. Bonuses can be eliminated at any time, and profit sharing can fluctuate or be zero.
     
  3. Sep 20, 2018 #283

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    So the company is saying that the "investor" will only invest if the block hour rate is lower and the other 'expense' EQO can be buried somewhere else? Expenses would still equal the same! Or in this case less because when you quit you will be getting your lower pay rate on the way out. An investor that has access to a lot of money to invest in 'us' is not that dumb. It's amazing how many people think the response from the company is totally valid. This investor has a really excellent opportunity as we are a top performer. They will not be walking away from this if we vote against this. This is the beginning of negotiations. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot when we have leverage!
     
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    Disregard
     
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    This sounds like what people said a few years ago. “We’re too valuable... we’re a top performer! We have too many pilots for them to knock us down... we’re to big... etc” 2000 pilots later.....
     
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    The 10k today felt like a bit much. 8k going forward should be perfect.
     
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    Good thing the other $2k was put into the captain’s rates. Source: first Webinar when Captain Ben Dover called in.
     
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    Oh dammit. Now the rates are gonna be too high.
     
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    Little math for people who think this is such a huge raise.
    Retention Bonus $10,000. Over 9 months = $1,111.11 per month
    EQO $10,000. Over 12 months = $833.33 per month
    $1,111.11 - 833.33 = 277.78 less per month.
    $277.78 over 70 hours worked = $3.96 per hour.
     
  10. Sep 22, 2018 #290

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    Getting out from under Inc? Priceless.
     
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    Getting bought by CommutAir?
    Sounds like you’re having the wrong fantasy.
    Even if / when it passes, not enough meat for the seats, failing to meet the contractual obligation?
    Priceless.

    Poor silly souls.
     
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    Uh, failing to meet obligations... That would play right into inc’s hands. They could then easily convince the board that we need to be let die. Life would go on as usual at UA without us. The end.

    We are just now starting to appear as if we were begining to drop the stymie from spring 2013. It would be a pity to F’ it up now.
     
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    Ding ding ding !!!

    Combining commutair with us makes the best sense, since it’s less financial exposure for ucal. Unfortunately, parking 50s’ for 70s’ in order to staff, results in less frequency.
    The following fall in stock price as market share loses out affects the shareholders so, . . .
    Basically, ucal painted itself into a corner with its outsourcing model and now their short sightedness is biting them.
    It’s too late for a wholly owned as the pilot pipeline constricts.

    Poor silly souls
     
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    The Retention Bonus was supposed to be paid in January. The Union got it moved up to September.
     
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    Yeah we all know that... Wow they let you fly planes?
     
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    So why didn’t you add that to your post instead of trying to make the EQO look like it’s a pay cut with your mad calculator skillz?
     
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    Shoot you're right! And then I could point out everything else that is completely obvious. It was just a simple calculation... It was simply showing that your income won't really go up that much next year if this passes... Should I deduct the higher health insurance expense?
     
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    “Yeah, we all know that.” But if it passes it can’t be taken away on a whim. (Yeah that’s completely obvious too, I know. Just like your calculations.)
     
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    No, because it is in the contract. It cannot be taken away outside of another contract, MOU, or bankruptcy judgement.
     
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    Or merger or acquisition.
    We found that out already didn’t we ?

    Poor silly souls
     

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