Discussion in 'The Pipe' started by ranger, Aug 17, 2018.
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Not perfect but much better than current. Let's not vote down a pay raise.
That post will age very poorly. This was an all-time convenient slip-up by whoever sent out the wrong version of the TA. Apparently the St. George SEC lawyers almost dropped dead when they saw that it hadn't been redacted in the version ALPA distributed to the pilot group. Even other literature distributed by ALPA makes reference to a confidential clause that will be executed within the weeks following the passing of the TA.
If ratified, we miss our only shot to gain. Market like this doesn’t happen every day. Obviously, company out smarted our union big time! The law of intimidation worked. I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t give up a penny for a shiny promise.
- Pay is not near what we should get!
- Increased contribution to insurance premiums from 25% to 30% (Unbelievable)
---Remember, Insurance Premiums are going up rapidly, 5% increase doesn’t stay $100 monthly, will increase. Not to mention if you have dental and vision it will be much more.
Many of the contracts that are competed to are older contracts that are due or soon will be due for negotiation. Guess what they match their contract with, Endeavor!
Contract supposed to be 2 years contract not 3, NC didn’t even explain why they helped company on that.
Where is Duty Regs?!!! Let company keeps us all day sitting at airport for nothing, while many other regionals like Republic pilots get paid half of their duty period. (6hr min pay for a 12hr duty period)
The conditional EQO, which is designed to keep your pay low even if you work hard.
Pay: We won’t see EDV rates until we’re wholly owned.
Insurance: 30% is still 2nd best in the industry.
Increasing premiums: this is all relative and has nothing to do with the TA.
Other contracts: show me another airline that has achieved EDV rates... how about instead, look at SKW, ARW, and others who have had to vote down TAs recently because they were miserable proposals.
The EQOs: I’ve never heard so many people complain about being paid a bonus to only work 70 hours. If you’d like to earn more, work more and you will be paid your increased hourly rate.
We are making gains (money, airplanes, work rules, etc.) while making literally one concession in a small increase in insurance premiums. The market is only going to continue to get better, and once the company turns around we will be in an even better position to make bigger gains in 27 months.
Why should we even talk about concession in this market. When is the last time our contract negotiation conincided with a super strong economy and the historical pilot shortage? This is a golden opportunity like never before. If we take concession even small now, what would happen on next negotiation possibly under a different circumstances?
Does this TA really improves Work Rules? The changes are so minor and mostly benefiting company or won’t change for company, so they could be adjusted at any time.
How about a “1 for 2“ Duty Reg to protect us against free airport appreciations?!!!
In many ways we are not matching up with Republic (Not a wholly owned airline) forget about Endavear.
Given the frustration and the shinny promise, I think this contract will pass, but we deserve much more!
Finally a big congrats to the XJT management!
We ARE, in fact, wholly owned.......by SkyWest INC. That is why we are lucky that it’s even as good as it is, and there will be no further offer. The unacceptable versions of this TA didn’t get past the MEC. This isn’t the first offer.
You would hear complain when the pay converted to conditional quarterly pay, and reduces your hourly rate after 80 hrs.
In Russia, complain hear you.
You are right! I wish our pilot group a better future!
I'm guessing United already decided to buy us and give us the 175's, regardless of this contract. I feel the company is just using the timing of these developments to lure us into signing a contract as fast as possible. They are giving us a pay increase, but they have to do that no matter what, or no one will ever come here. What disappoints me is they gave us no real quality of life improvements. They have a list of things that they are "promising to come back later and negotiate" like ACARS re-assignment, PBS, 12 days off for every month for reserves...etc. Why not negotiate it now? We will have no leverage later after we've already signed. I think they are rushing us on purpose just to avoid having to give us any of that quality of life stuff that we would have otherwise demanded if we didn't have the 175's and UAL purchase supposedly contingent on us signing this.
Do yourself a favor and either A) Attend a roadshow or B) Call your reps.
You’d be amazed what you could learn.
Or C) Vote No, and wait for something better to talk about!
Gonna be a loooooooooong wait.
Keep using that pipe if you think something better is coming.
What "market" are you speaking of? There may be a pilot shortage, but our current circumstances don't allow us to attract many of the few pilots that are out there. The money has to come from somewhere. We're not wholly-owned by a major with deep pockets, and our performance is nowhere near the top. We're just another average regional flying old 50 seat jets with too many senior pilots on a good labor contract. That's a bitter pill to swallow, but we're just not the same company we were 10 years ago. Envoy, Endeavor, Republic, etc all had their moments of rebirth to become what they are today, and most of them paid dearly for it. This TA is a chance at rebirth for XJT, and we get a raise.
Good point. 10 years ago, end of THIS month me and 136 other CA’s were taking ~40% of a paycut getting downgraded to FO, THEN another 9% in LOA9 concession.
As well as ~300 pilots going PWOP, Pilot WITHOUT Paycheck.
Followed by about the shittiest 2 years of XJT/SureJet since we were hired.
WCW’s fo’ lyfe!!!!!!!!
I’m talking about market for us, pilots, as we are in a historical high demand. Also the super strong economy has enabled more people to fly around, so good time for the company too.
Just you know, our retention bonuses are coming from United! So there is a deep
Pocket. It’s part of our new CPA with United!
Money is there, just somebody has to draw it out! Needs a good negotiator though!
These are NOT good things for us! Dud, do you want to be reassigned left and right even as a line holder?! Hushhhh, ACARS re-assignment is BAD. Line Biding is GOOD! You will know it when you become a line holder and enjoy sweet schedules!
Also do you want to leave your schedule to the mercy of PBS?! If there is one thing that I’m happy with this TA is that we will not be trap with PBS. At least for now!
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