Bid 18-06

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  1. Jul 6, 2018 #1

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    BASE EQMT POS NUM CHANGE from 17-01
    CLE ERJ CA 55 -10
    CLE ERJ FO 35 -15
    EWR ERJ CA 160 -25
    EWR ERJ FO 120 -55
    IAH ERJ CA 210 -30
    IAH ERJ FO 160 -60
    ORD ERJ CA 125 -50
    ORD ERJ FO 85 -75
    TYS ERJ CA 15 NEW +15
    TYS ERJ FO 10 NEW +10
    DFW CR7 CA 135
    DFW CR7 FO 130
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    XJT Total 1240
    ERJ -295
    CRJ ( )
     
  2. Jul 6, 2018 #2

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    Are you guys furloughing after this?
     
  4. Jul 6, 2018 #4

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    What? No.
     
  5. Jul 6, 2018 #5

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    Your numbers are misleading.

    IAH CA, for example, may have shrunk by 30, but the bid is for 210 CA, and there are only 182 there that can bid a line now out of 302 because of ULAs. So, the idea is that they are planning for there being around 210 lines in the near future, or they are over-staffing. There are only about 1200 total ERJ pilots now anyway (1202 and Waki to be specific). Sooooooo...... for the bid to be for only 1240 (which usually correlates with how many line holders there will be), these numbers are good and not bad. No displacements should be happening except for CRJ on CRJ action out of DFW and ATL. There will be need for about 400 reserves. That should absorb any CRJ guys that take the ATL displacement instead of moving on. This is my interpretation, not the company's. IAH only has about 110 lines now, so it looks like we would have to get more flying to cover this bid. Maybe this means an actual announcement coming soon as well (for real).
     
  6. Jul 6, 2018 #6

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    Well I’m not interpreting any numbers. 17-01 was for a total of 1280 pilots. This one is for 1240, and it includes DFW and TYS. So an ERJ loss of 295 pilots positions in 11 months. There have been about 150 new hires in that period, so we are looking at an estimated total loss of 445 pilots between the bids, which is in line with the monthly losses seen. Just the facts.
     
  7. Jul 7, 2018 #7

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    Correct. I probably should have mentioned that my response had more to do with countering the furlough comment and not your comment. We have less pilots now, so naturally the bid will shrink too if we can’t hire.
     
  8. Jul 7, 2018 #8

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    Anyone know if CRJ guys can fill ERJ captain vacancies on this bid? I heard they can’t until October of this year. This bid includes 65 ERJ captain vacancies but wondering if they will go to all senior CRJ guys who bid over as opposed to senior ERJ FOs. Thanks
     
  9. Jul 7, 2018 #9

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    Yes. But DFW will still be open and will go senior. Same with TYS. CRJ pilots are pay protected as captains when they go to the ERJ IF:
    1. We put all captain bids first. The exception is if pilots want to stay on the CRJ they can put DFW FO before all ERJ captain bids and still be pay protected. So you'll probably see some very senior FO's in DFW.
    2. There is an ERJ captain junior to us.
    I don't think it will be quite the bloodbath for senior ERJ FO's that you think. We're down to about 400 active CRJ pilots now. Some will stay CRJ DFW until that closes down, although I guess some senior ERJ pilots can bid that if they really want to. I'm thinking about 200 CRJ pilots will make the transition. Some are actually junior FO's though not many. We shall see how it pans out.
     
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    I stand corrected. 130 CRJ pilots will make the transition in this bid. I think you will see a few senior pilots bidding primarily TYS and maybe some other locations if they already commute or if they're looking for an easier commute out of ATL, but the majority will probably be from the bottom of the list (displacements). That's my guess. So possibly some upgrades from the ERJ side.
     
  11. Jul 10, 2018 at 3:39 AM #11

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    The current ISL has close to 600 CRJ pilots. Are that many on leave or in management?
     
  12. Jul 10, 2018 at 10:35 AM #12

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    Yes. We have an LOA that permits up to 180 days of leave if you go to a LCC or some cargo carriers. If you look at those who actually get lines or sit reserve we are down to just over 400 pilots for July.
    Also, bonus is effective 15 September. I’m pretty sure a number of two week notices will be put in 1 September.
     

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