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    Quote Originally Posted by owl View Post
    Upgrade for a senior FO seems like a catch 22 right now.

    If someone is awarded an upgrade, they are basically surrendering the second half of their FO retention bonus. (While possibly commuting to reserve and taking a hit on QOL)

    But If someone chooses to bypass on this system bid, they will be competing with CRJ folks on the next system bid. (And possibly not be able hold captain anymore.)

    catch 22.

    So it's either take the hit on QOL for a while and forget the retention bonus, or stay where you are at , take the full bonus and wait even longer to upgrade.
    Upgrade has always been a similar quandary. While the details may be different, it's never not been frought with some kind of unpalatable squalor.
    The views expressed here, although possibly misguided but well intentioned, are my own and do not represent ExpressJet policy or procedure in any official capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jujk View Post
    There will be 90 upgrades on the ERJ per the agreement between the Unions and the company. Upgrade classes will start in October at a rate of 20 upgrades per month. Hey could do more but they will be transitioning CRJ guys to the ERJ. All per the P2P call yesterday.

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    And to think they could do 32 upgrades and 64 new hires a month at one time......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guardman123U View Post
    No no no! Panic now before it is too late and all facts are known.
    That was classic!

    As far as the retention bonus goes, one needs to be through training and have their FAA check ride by Jan 1st to get the Captain bonus and not FO. So that includes OE. With 90 upgrades and 20 a month starting somewhere in October this shouldn't be a problem for most guys.

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    Don't remember but once awarded captain didn't we bid on class dates? If senior enough take November or December class.

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    ^^^^^^^^ yup

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    So, we are at or about 126 ERJ's today, and the bid is for 1280 pilots. With instructors and management 1500 to fly it and no one gets displaced.

    The only 'room I see fit L-ASA guys is what we have for attrition. What's that, maybe 50 a month from L-XJT that opens up vacancies? As they retire 4 airplanes a month that's about the 40 L-ASA without jobs. Make that abiut 50 per month as their management and instructor Corp winds down all starting with the most junior ones.

    So if that persists for 18 months I see about 900 vacancies available over that time. Obviously L-ASA will have some attrition as well, top guys might just punch out ('81 hire will be at 37+ years end of 2018, right?!?)

    But right now, they technically ALL dont have jobs, but the attrition will hopefully make the room. And they ALL will be.moving bases. Would be nerve racking for the guys on that side. Only top 250 over there fly CRJ. The 22 hopeful new ones will be a mix of two groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Kupetz View Post
    So, we are at or about 126 ERJ's today, and the bid is for 1280 pilots. With instructors and management 1500 to fly it and no one gets displaced.

    The only 'room I see fit L-ASA guys is what we have for attrition. What's that, maybe 50 a month from L-XJT that opens up vacancies? As they retire 4 airplanes a month that's about the 40 L-ASA without jobs. Make that abiut 50 per month as their management and instructor Corp winds down all starting with the most junior ones.

    So if that persists for 18 months I see about 900 vacancies available over that time. Obviously L-ASA will have some attrition as well, top guys might just punch out ('81 hire will be at 37+ years end of 2018, right?!?)

    But right now, they technically ALL dont have jobs, but the attrition will hopefully make the room. And they ALL will be.moving bases. Would be nerve racking for the guys on that side. Only top 250 over there fly CRJ. The 22 hopeful new ones will be a mix of two groups.
    We are operating 96 ERJ's in September. That'll help your math.

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    From the last union email this bid will result in more than 90 upgrades. That makes early 2011 new hires captains.

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    2011 new hire... haha

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