At the security line is not the place for this fight. I completly agree with you and I would too opt out of the full body scan....its intrusive and an abuse of government. But if you don't do the full body scan, you have to do the pat down.....thats been in FIL's over and over again. My question is that if you know this (assuming you read FIL's) and felt so strongly about not getting patted down, why didn't you start a grassroots campaign to stop it.....was it fine until it directly effected you?
My far larger concern about these new scanners is that radiation is cumulative. We as pilots are already exposed to higher levels of radiaton in cruise. If these become the norm, we will also be exposed four out seven days of nearly every week of the year. No matter how small the individual dose, this ads up and this represents a major health threat.
So, I've gotten the pat down before. If you want to have fun just moan a little when they get close to your happy parts.
I had almost the exact experience in TPA two weeks ago. Difference being that I agreed to a pat down. By the time I got to the CP office they already had called him. during the whole "incident" I bit my tounge and was in disbelief about the level of bull$hit they were willing to put a uniformed, badged pilot thru...
I haven't seen much point in involving the union, but I guess I probably ought to contact them just in case they decide to show up. Not expecting a whole lot, though.
I've "opted out" twice, got pat down (granted like an idiot), the guy said thanks see ya later, I said have a good one. Off I went. Why would you think that is the venue to give TSA a civics lesson on civil liberties? Good luck.
Honestly, from these responses, perhaps it's best you're not in the cockpit. I'd encourage you to go talk to a psychiatrist, seriously.Quote
These aren't rights that have been taken away illegally or anything. The rule has always been that when it is in the interest of national security, searches can occur. When a plane flies into the Pentagon, airline travel suddenly becomes an issue of national security. Sorry bud.
It'd be outraged if there WEREN'T security to get into the airport for everyone's safety ... or at least the "appearance of safety". Yeah, pilots shouldn't have to do it, that just means there's room for improvement.
Personally I'd opt out and take the pat down only because I'd like to avoid as much additional radiation as possible (I don't care who sees me naked). I don't see why a pat down would be so objectionable to you, they wear gloves.
Going through in ORD they told me to remove my wings. I told them no thank you. They told me I would have to get a pat down and I said fine. They then had me go through the machine anyway, and on the other side they made me take my belt off and I was patted down (in a truly half-@ssed manner). One passenger even commented that it was stupid they were putting me through that. My reply was, "Ya, God forbid I get control of the airplane." TSA is beyond stupid. They spent a stupid amount of money switching uniforms and getting badges when they could have bought laptops with CASS to allow us to bypass after verification. And why is it ok for rampers to bypass? Seems like it would be simple for station employees to verify the crew on the paperwork and allow us access as they do rampers. I really hate TSA and it's inconsistant, irrational and flat out stupid policies. Good for you for taking a stand. If you need cash for a lawyer, I'll be happy to donate.
I agree we need security, but it needs to make sense. Having a pilot go through the line does not make sense.
The other point is that the TSA have ALWAYS had the right to decide to pat you down, well before the full body scan machine, should they choose to do so. There are somethings you have to deal with to do this job, TSA is one of those things.....I don't like them either, they are a dog and pony show, nothing more. They contribute nothing and only serve to disciminate against law abiding citizens....they are unprofessional, rude and undeserving of the power the government gives them. The proper response is to make as much noise in the union as you can and start fighing for crew pass or some other solution....but you have to get everyone else to rise up with you, you can't do it on your own....which is what you tried to do. I understand your concerns about civil liberties and an intrisuve government who totally disregards the Constitution......but the best thing you can do for your family is bring home a pay check, fight the good fight on your own time with the help of people who can actually effect change.