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    Quote Originally Posted by lap View Post
    What could have been differently? How about letting people buy insurance across state lines or tort reform or giving the same tax advantage to those who buy private insurance as opposed to the insurance offered by your employer? Republicans made all their suggestion at obama's healthcare summit. Too bad that was just show and never about bipartisanship.
    All the Republicans did was to say no - apparently happy with the status quo. Is the bill perfect? Not even close, but it is better than the current flucked up system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBills View Post
    D1 I am a registered republican (probably soon to be independent) and this is the one issue where I just couldn't imagine status quo. I think the fact that because I am currently watching my hardworking dad, try to get insured for less than 1000 dollars a month is what really opened my eyes. I dont believe the government needs to take care of us, however the capitalist take on healthcare is disgusting, and not working. I am also appalled that the republican party 100% voted along party lines, so much for compromise. Healthcare should not be a business and it is. So D1 (and this is an honest question), what could we have done differently with this bill?

    ALSO: I am more than thankful that we are not paying for abortions which was proposed in the last version, which is what disgusts me about the democrats.
    Welcome to the dark side - being independent is not something scary, in fact, I'd suggest that being independent is what this country was founded upon. As much as I personally believe in minimal government inference in our lives, health care for everyone is so 20th century and we would continue to slide in the wrong direction (humanly and competitively) without it. One of the reasons my wife and I haven't quit our jobs to start our own business is because we cannot afford to go without health care. How many jobs will we create? Hard to tell for now but if we as Americans shall continue to excel we need as many upstarts and small companies as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nixon View Post
    All the Republicans did was to say no - apparently happy with the status quo. Is the bill perfect? Not even close, but it is better than the current flucked up system.
    Why would you say that? Are you aware the reps had and have had common sense alternatives from before this debacle, yet you have been lied to repeatedly by your POTUS and his fawining press about them not having an alternative.

    Are you aware every rep had a copy of their proposal in hand at the state of the union addres and held them up when the POTUS lied to you about the reps not having an alternative??

    Are you aware there are over 1,000 health insurance comapnies in the US?? Find out how many are allowed to operate in your state and ask a democrat why they, democrats, will not allow cross border competition as the reps have wanted from day one.

    The media has played you like a drum to make you believe that. Do you wonder what else there is that you are misinformed on?? You should.

    geez................

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamiteone View Post
    do you wonder what else there is that you are misinformed on?? You should.

    Geez................
    wmd.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by nixon View Post
    wmd.........
    Do you REALLY have to be proven wrong time after time about that? Just do a search...you'll find Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Pelosi, Albright, et. al. lauding the fact that SH had to be removed from Iraq. Dude...you step on your **** every time you bring that up. Move on to something else please...

    EDIT: Here...I'll do the homework for you:

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
    --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
    -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

    "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
    Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
    -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
    -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
    -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
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    Quote Originally Posted by V2+15 View Post
    Do you REALLY have to be proven wrong time after time about that?
    Only one President was stupid enough to go to war based on the misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nixon View Post
    Only one President was stupid enough to go to war based on the misinformation.
    And how many democrats voted IN FAVOR OF AND SUPPORTED going to that war??? The "misinformation" you keep referring to seems to have stemmed back to 1998. And that's just in the examples I found in one easy search. Oooops...stepped on your **** again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nixon View Post
    All the Republicans did was to say no - apparently happy with the status quo. Is the bill perfect? Not even close, but it is better than the current flucked up system.
    You apperantly did not watch Obama's healthcare summit. The republicans had many ideas for the potus. The house doesn't have to listen to the republicans, and they didn't, because a simple majority rules. The senate didn't listen to the republicans because at the time their bill was passed, they had 60 lib donkeys. With MA voting in a republican the lib donkeys couldn't go to conference committee because they would be forced to listen to republicans in the senate. So they jammed the senate bill that was passed with kenedy's vote in the house thrown in with all the pork wavering lib donkey house members needed to get paid off to vote yes on top of the that same type of junk that was thrown in the senate bill to buy their lib donkey votes.

    Quote Originally Posted by nixon View Post
    Welcome to the dark side - being independent is not something scary, in fact, I'd suggest that being independent is what this country was founded upon. As much as I personally believe in minimal government inference in our lives, health care for everyone is so 20th century and we would continue to slide in the wrong direction (humanly and competitively) without it. One of the reasons my wife and I haven't quit our jobs to start our own business is because we cannot afford to go without health care. How many jobs will we create? Hard to tell for now but if we as Americans shall continue to excel we need as many upstarts and small companies as possible.
    No where in the constitution does it say we have a right to health care. Therefore, it falls to individual states if they want to take this up just as MA did. By passing this bill, power has been further seized and centralized in DC, farther away from the individual citizen. If you beleive in minimal government, you would want congress to abide by the constitution rather than to pass this bill. I suspect you were a RINO anyways. Don't take that as an insult because its not meant to be. Its just that some people don't know what republicans stand for. And I mean real republicans and not like many of the republicans in elected offices.

    Quote Originally Posted by nixon View Post
    Only one President was stupid enough to go to war based on the misinformation.
    You need to quit before you fall behind some more.
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    Indeed a great day for America!

    Obama's Health-Care Law Ruled Unconstitutional Over Insurance Requirement
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...-by-judge.html
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