Mr Hat

I could hit this comment two ways.....One you proved my point, the only laws lefties want are those that they personally agree with. Two, the system of laws in this country are based heavily on the Judeo-christian philosophy......right or wrong, thats history. Are you saying you disagree with the most successful governmental system in history?
Come on Steve, you know you arent the one I was talking about. Im talking about real circus freaks like Bill Mahr and Michael Moore.

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Aviator27J

I never compared Bush to Clinton. We don't have moral presidents. Period.

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I don't believe Bush's Christianity is all hype.

I've wondered about him, because many politicians try to score Christian points; however, when they released a tape of Bush in a conversation he had prior to the 2000 election, when he was being pressured by some on the far "Religious Right" to attack gays to score points, he said, "I'm not going to kick gays because I'm a sinner. How can I differentiate sin?"

That's the mark of a true Christian, in my book (among other things).

Too many "Falwell" types are out there all holier than thou, but a true Christian recognizes that they too are sinners and are no better than any other sinner...merely forgiven.

You have to remember that he thought this conversation was in confidence. It was the same one where some argued that he was admitting to marijuana use (and actually, that was spun, because what he was saying there, if you read the WHOLE converation, was that he was criticizing Gore's admitted use of marijuana and said he wouldn't have admitted it publically if he were Gore because he didn't want some "kid" to say, "...President Bush tried marijuana, I think I will")

Don't get me wrong. I have plenty of fault with Bush, but I believe as far as his being a Christian goes, I believe he truely believes and doesn't just wear the name.

michael logan

Dont wait until you draw your last breath to be proven wrong.

Travelair

This is circumstantial but still valid: If life is just a random occurance, then why can't scientists, working in ideal conditions, create life? Even simple life? They can modify DNA and genetically engineer but they are incapable of creating even a simple cell organism?

Radio carbon dating? It assumes an unchanging environment. It does not take into account ice ages or other climatological changes which we know occured. The Bible speaks matter of factly of people living to nearly 1000 years in the old testament. To this day, gerentologists cannot answer the question of why we grow old and die but they think it has to do with UV radiation. What if the atmosphere as we see it today has not always been the way it is. Noah's flood required more water than was in the sea or under the earth in springs. To happen, nearly three feet of water (when condensed) would have to have come from the atmosphere. Today, if you condensed all the water vapor in our atmosphere, it would amount to six inches or so.

How much more effective would three feet be at blocking UV radiation? What effect would this have on RC dating? Following this logic, it is conceivable that the world is only 5000 years old.

mckpickle

But Pete, you've just proved my point by calling Mahr and Moore freaks! No I don't disagree whole heartedly with our laws but what I disagree with is using the "bible" as a justification for laws. Example, obsenity laws. Gay marraige, homosexuals. etc. All these issues are quoted by bible thumpers when they want to say "it's wrong" because the bible says so. Who are they to tell anyone how they can or cannot live?

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mckpickle

:shock: Pssssssss, I heard airplanes fly because spirits push them up to the heavens :roll:

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Nova

Just because man can't do it doesn't prove divine intervention. Man has been unable to produce a Fusion Reactor yet the sun still exists? When we can produce a Fusion Reactor does that change the nature of the sun? Life is pretty complicated so how about giving scientists credit for not putting the carriage in front of the horse and tackling the simpler items and working up to the more complex.

But it does when the results are calibrated which is a standard step in Radiocarbon dating. There are bound to be small variations in RCD results but to think that the results are +\- a few 100 million years is ridiculous. How do the dinosaurs fit into the 5000 year old bible universe since it doesn't mention anything of the sort? Saying that God just buried the bones there for us to find is like saying it was PFM. I don't think God has a PFM button, give him credit, he's smarter than that.

Ocean

Paul said it best:

1 Corinthians 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

If you are serious at all about seeking God, I challenge you to simply ask God to reveal Himself to you. He will not let you down.

How do you expect to understand something that is spiritually discerned? Without Christ, you are spiritually dead:

1 Cor 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Proverbs 1:7

The fear* of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

(fear* -original Hebrew - yir'ah, means "morally reverence" )

Get in the Word and prove it to yourself.

FlyXJTnow

To do that you have to assume the bible is true. It's circular logic to go down that road. Example of what I mean: "How do I know the bible is true because it was inspired by God. How do I know God is real, because the bible says so."

Doesn't really prove much in my opinion.

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