There is no god. - Page 44

aussieflyboy · 12-05-2006, 01:22 AM

tptp and others,

by the way you constantly reiterate your message over and over again, it's totally obvious that you're beyond help and we can't make you see logic or reason.

i'm still completely confused by the fact that you can't see that what you believe in is make believe.

it is, there's no doubt about it. the only problem is that you're so bent on this story that you read in this magical book and you believe in it so firmly that you're completely devoid of reason and logic.

everything you've told us is true is something you read in the bible. tell me how that is any different to believing that that FSM book of which Fats was talking? it's absolutely the same thing. you take this book which was written by the hand of men over a long period of time, and take it as the gospel truth.

the reason you think i'm going to hell is SOLELY, SOLELY because this book you read told you so. well in my opinion that's completely absurd. blind faith is the reason why christians accept so many things as being the truth when they have NO EVIDENCE except a passage in a 2000 yr old book that it is the case.

trying to get you to see it is like beating my head against a brick wall, im sure alot of the other fellas are tired of trying too. :?

Hammer · 12-05-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

trying to get you to see it is like beating my head against a brick wall, im sure alot of the other fellas are tired of trying too. :?

Well, now you know how us Christians feel about some of you also! Others have said they wouldn't even waste their time reading what some have posted. And we're accused of being closed minded...whew.

tightwad · 12-05-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tptp

The Bible is very different from other "religious" texts. Mormons claim golden plates with hieroglyphics that can only be read with golden spectacles are a part of their faith. Muslims have Mohammad the illiterate magically transcribing angelic prophecy 600+/- years after Christ's death. Total authors for each: 1.

Looks like this post took a lot of time, however, you need to spend a little more time and get your facts straight!

RDawkins · 12-05-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tptp

...God is visible when you see what people do in his name. God is visible when miracles happen. I have an extended family member dying of cancer right now who was supposed to have only 2 years to live. He's on year 5 and doing great, albeit he still has terminal cancer. ....

First of all, the word "supposed" should be replaced with "estimated" by a medical professional who "practices" medicine.

A born-again Christian classmate told me how his mother was dying of cancer. The hole church was praying for her. Sadly she passed away. Why didn't God work his magic here?

Yariv · 12-06-2006, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RDawkins

A born-again Christian classmate told me how his mother was dying of cancer. The hole church was praying for her. Sadly she passed away. Why didn't God work his magic here?

because by definition god swings both ways. (not that there's anything wrong with that...) he can eat the cake and have it too. if she survives 5 years instead of 2, it's a miracle helped by prayers. if she dies, it was part of god's plan and she's in a better place. (btw - if god has plans, why do you think prayers can make him change his plans?)

This eases the mourning and explains what otherwise defies explanation. This is why religion is easy to sell and is so popular - it helps the weak deal with reality. (once again - no offense to anyone)

Hammer · 12-06-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Yariv

This is why religion is easy to sell and is so popular - it helps the weak deal with reality. (once again - no offense to anyone)

Come on Yariv, that's like me calling you a fool, but saying afterward, "but I mean that in the nicest way possible".

lol...no offense taken

Uncle Sam · 12-06-2006, 10:55 AM

This was from page 22

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Originally Posted by BrianS

Now, I have one pet peeve that came up a lot on this thread that being Christian means being nice. Thats not Biblical. Was Jesus always nice? I doubt the Pharisees would have called him that. Certainly the money changers being chased out of the temple by Jesus with a whip wouldnt have said following after Jesus was just about being nice. I can and should be nice because whatever the world throws at me doesnt add up to all God has forgiven me for. Sometimes telling people the truth doesnt appear nice. Does a doctor telling a patient they have cancer seem nice? Do you think cancer patients want to hear they have the disease? They need to hear it if theyre going to treat the disease, though.

Brian Simmons

All Yariv did was state his beliefs. Why is it not okay for him to respond with what he believes is the the truth? Isn't that what you are all doing?

And just remember (from the quote above) who was the first one on this thread who flat out avocated not being nice. So far, the only posts that have argued, "That's just not nice," have been from Christains.

Hypocrisy...
:roll:

Oh, and no offense :lol:

Force617 · 12-06-2006, 11:55 AM

another good read....."Case for a Creator" Written by a once atheist investigative reporter for the Chicago sun times. After interviewing leading chemists, bioligists, physicists (spelling?) and the like, he published his findings and converted to christianity. Very interesting read and the science he reports is real, its up to you to figure out what to do with it

aussieflyboy · 12-06-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Yariv

This eases the mourning and explains what otherwise defies explanation. This is why religion is easy to sell and is so popular - it helps the weak deal with reality. (once again - no offense to anyone)

Hit the nail on the head, Yariv. Couldn't have worded it any better myself.

Why can't you see that it's all a fairytale? Maybe one day you'll get it.

RDawkins · 12-06-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Yariv

because by definition god swings both ways. (not that there's anything wrong with that...) he can eat the cake and have it too. if she survives 5 years instead of 2, it's a miracle helped by prayers. if she dies, it was part of god's plan and she's in a better place. (btw - if god has plans, why do you think prayers can make him change his plans?)

This eases the mourning and explains what otherwise defies explanation. This is why religion is easy to sell and is so popular - it helps the weak deal with reality. (once again - no offense to anyone)

That's what I think too, but I would have liked an answer from a religious perspective. I am very skeptical of faith healing... surely your God doesn't favor anybody.. and why let a sick person stay on earth? If heaven is so beautiful, then why not call the "chosen" ones a little earlier? And of course there is going to be a standard answer for that.
The reason that there is religion, ironically enough, comes directly from the evolution (development) of the human brain. As soon as man became aware of his mortality, he started to look for a way to dealing with this, in the form of the super natural- God(s) and after life. Every unknown phenominum (like thunder) would be explained as something devine. The atheists in this forum, myself included, would have found ourselves in a very difficult situation, had we dared to explain thunderstorms, if we lived during the Greek and Roman empires. Religion has always resisted or twisted science, as we clearly see in this forum. Therefore, in my opinion, religion is a defense mechanism, Do I wish there were a heaven? Absolutely. The question is: "Do I want to hear the truth, or a good sounding lie?"