There is no god. - Page 23

Yariv · 10-27-2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by STRCHK

You cannot be proved wrong, however you cannot be proved right. there is a 50% chance there is a god, and a 50% chance there is no god.

so if I play the lottery, there are two possible outcomes: either I'll win, or I won't. according to the above, the chances are 50/50...

can I borrow 2 bucks?

10-27-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Yariv

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Originally Posted by STRCHK

You cannot be proved wrong, however you cannot be proved right. there is a 50% chance there is a god, and a 50% chance there is no god.

so if I play the lottery, there are two possible outcomes: either I'll win, or I won't. according to the above, the chances are 50/50...

can I borrow 2 bucks?

No, he said there's a 50% chance there is a God. Nobody cited the lottery chances.

Just because one thing has a 50/50 chance, that doesn't mean everything does.

I don't necessarily agree with the stats assigned to the "chance there's a god"; however, the analogy makes the presumption that the chances there's a god and the odds of winning the lottery are equal.

:wink:

Since it's a matter of faith, I don't know how one would assign odds on there being a god and by what criteria they would arrive at such a conclusion.

Here...this is pretty cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9jNdtSpHlU

V2+15 · 10-27-2006, 10:10 AM

Going on 16 pages about God...cool!!! At least it's gotten people to thinking!

CIAO!

STRCHK · 10-27-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Yariv

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Originally Posted by STRCHK

You cannot be proved wrong, however you cannot be proved right. there is a 50% chance there is a god, and a 50% chance there is no god.

so if I play the lottery, there are two possible outcomes: either I'll win, or I won't. according to the above, the chances are 50/50...

can I borrow 2 bucks?

No. No. A lottery is simply picking numbers out of a hat. So if there are 1,000,000 tickets in the hat you odds are 1 in 1,000,000. that you'll pick the winning ticket. As far as god odds go there are only two possible outcomes just like a coin flip. God or no God.

10-27-2006, 11:56 AM

I'm not attacking Darwin's character or credentials here as a scientist. Don't misunderstand me. I only question the theory and the misinterpretation of fact.

Darwin uses a lot of "maybe" and "I think" and "I believe". I didn't read any statements of facts related to his theory. Also one has to put faith into his explanations for the lack of transitional forms. It can't be proven. It can be explained away through a "belief" of what happend, but there is no proof for his explanation because none has been found.

So simply grant me this - Macro-evolution is a theory. It is not fact. A good scientific theory, but a theory none the less. Am I wrong?

Yariv · 10-27-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitey

Darwin uses a lot of "maybe" and "I think" and "I believe". I didn't read any statements of facts related to his theory. Also one has to put faith into his explanations for the lack of transitional forms. It can't be proven. It can be explained away through a "belief" of what happend, but there is no proof for his explanation because none has been found.

on the contrary. Darwin used a lot of maybes because he published in 1859 when a lot less was known, a lot less archeological and anthropological evidence existed, DNA wasn't known (let alone DNA analysis) and so his view was based on what he saw and what he read, with lots of healthy logic.

Today we know A LOT more, and the amazing thing is that all the new knowledge added afte 1859 supports his theory. At some point, when there's enough evidence, a theory becomes proven and is as good as fact, unless evidence exists to contradict it. The reason it's still called the THEORY of evolution today, is because scientists, unlike religious zealots, know that "the more you know, the less you know" and there is never any absolutes, so they are more humble in their convictions.

my point about the lottery was that if there are two possible outcomes, that does NOT mean the odds are 50/50. if the existence of a god has two possible outcomes (yes, or no) the odds could be 25/75, or (more likely) 99.99/0.01 (which side is yes vs no is up to you)

10-27-2006, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by STRCHK

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Originally Posted by Yariv

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Originally Posted by STRCHK

You cannot be proved wrong, however you cannot be proved right. there is a 50% chance there is a god, and a 50% chance there is no god.

so if I play the lottery, there are two possible outcomes: either I'll win, or I won't. according to the above, the chances are 50/50...

can I borrow 2 bucks?

No. No. A lottery is simply picking numbers out of a hat. So if there are 1,000,000 tickets in the hat you odds are 1 in 1,000,000. that you'll pick the winning ticket. As far as god odds go there are only two possible outcomes just like a coin flip. God or no God.

Well, again, that doesn't make it 50/50. One could say to make your point, "You either win or don't win, so it's 50/50."

10-27-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Yariv

The reason it's still called the THEORY of evolution today, is because scientists, unlike religious zealots, know that "the more you know, the less you know" and there is never any absolutes, so they are more humble in their convictions.

No need to throw little stones around. Just make your point.

So where are the transitional forms that exist "today"? What about the fossil record? I'm looking for proof. The difference in theory and fact has nothing to do with ego.

10-27-2006, 12:51 PM

Yeah, Yariv, you may want to do your homework.

There was a teacher in PA who was discussing in his class scientific holes in the theory of evolution (such as the sudden occurance of nearly every mamal during the Cambrian period with no sub-species predating them) and was shut down by court order (who do you think brought on the law suit? Those threatened by science disproving evolution, of course).

That's just one example, but there are others.

It's become it's own religion.

j3tDr1v3r · 10-27-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by STRCHK

No. No. A lottery is simply picking numbers out of a hat. So if there are 1,000,000 tickets in the hat you odds are 1 in 1,000,000. that you'll pick the winning ticket. As far as god odds go there are only two possible outcomes just like a coin flip. God or no God.

Actually, this is incorrect. Your odds in a lottery are simply a statistic of the number of choices required versus the number of options available. Your odds of winning a lottery are no better if there is only one ticket sold or one million tickets sold. A raffle however fits the description you gave. So, if we're using the lottery reference, your odds are a derivitive of the number of possible outcomes of the nature and existance of God, therefore it would be somewhere near infinity 8)