Yariv

jetdriver, I promise not to call god a fairytale, in the spirit of tolerance and mutual respect. I certainly don't think I'm superior to anyone. just that my views are right, and yours are wrong. I'm sure you feel the same way. I do think creationism is idiotic, but this doesn't mean people who subscribe to it are necessarily idiots, just misinformed. and that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

thanks for the clarification Brian. I mean it, thanks for taking the time with a thoughtful response. I really don't want to take this to 300 pages of bible study and bore everyone to death disecting every inconsistency, I'm convinced that you could rationalize each of them. you could even explain away the bible's condonation of rape, slavery and murder as 'that's how it was done at the time' or 'you have to look at the context', etc. while at the same time saying that the bible is inerrant and can be read literally.

my point about the contradictions is that the bible, while containing many true account of historical events and places, contains many false accounts of supernatural events attributed to an unseed god, due in part to the lack of scientific understanding at the time, and in part due to being made up to sell the god story.

some more to keep you going on your commute:

1. you said so jesus was born in bethlehem (in the year 0 I assume) then the christs moved to egypt, and they returned to nazareth after herod died. according to historical records (here's one) herod died in 4 bc




2. what were jesus's last words?
Matthew 27:46-50

46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

47When some of those standing there heard this, they said, "He's calling Elijah."
48Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49The rest said, "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to save him." 50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.


Luke 23:46
46Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.




3. an unfulfilled prophecy
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.



p.s. how can you read C.S Lewis... he is an insult to intelligence!

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Yariv,
What part is so hard to understand? Your getting a narrative from several diffrent people with differing prospectives. You should no that if you have ten people see one event that most likely all ten will notice different parts of the event. When you put all of there stories together you get the entire story. You MUST read all of these as complimentary to each other instead of contradictory. Just because one account of a story doesn't include something another does, doesn't mean they are contradictory. They would have written what was important to them.

Immanuel means "God with Us" and I do call him Immanuel and so where is the unfulfillment at?

By the way, cute girl I was looking at your links, you take the photos yourself?

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Yariv

don't you get any ideas! no mechanics for her!
one or two photos by the wife, most are mine.

I understand your point about different versions. my point is that the way I see it it's possible that jesus wasn't born in bethlehem, and these two different guys made him be born there in two different ways (because both wanted to fit him into micah's prophecy). even if they didn't, their stories do not add up to one whole story like you suggested, they conflict. in one they moved from nazareth to bethlehem for the census, and jesus was born very shortly after. in the other they (with jesus) moved from bethlehem to egypt, and back when herod said it was safe. but herod died in 4bc... I'm not just being hard headed here. same with his last words. surely you won't suggest those are different view points? chances are jesus didn't say any of the three versions, he didn't say anything because he was exhaused... which means it's possible the accounts of the miracles are also false. so the bible could have some pepper added to it to convince the masses to believe.

as I said before, I could be wrong. it's just an opinion, equal to your opinion.



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New Zealand 2005

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Here's a clip from Bible.org on this:

Josephus records an eclipse of the moon just before Herod passed on. This occurred on March 12th or 13th in 4 B.C. Josephus also tells us that Herod expired just before Passover. This feast took place on April 11th, in the same year, 4 B.C. From other details supplied by Josephus, we can pinpoint Herod the Great's demise as occurring between March 29th and April 4th in 4 B.C.

It might sound strange to suggest that Jesus Christ was born no later than 4 B.C. since B.C. means 'before Christ.' But our modern calendar which splits time between B.C. and A.D. was not invented until A.D. 525. At that time, Pope John the First asked a monk named Dionysius to prepare a standardized calendar for the western Church. Unfortunately, poor Dionysius missed the real B.C./A.D. division by at least four years!

Now Matthew tells us that Herod killed Bethlehem's babies two years old and under. The earliest Jesus could have been born, therefore, is 6 B.C. Through a variety of other time indicators, we can be relatively confident that the one called Messiah was born in either late 5 or early 4 B.C.

GOODOLEDAYS1016

look up Ark of the Covenant. If you are a believer, it will completely open your eyes. If your not a believer, it may open your eyes as well.

Look up Noahs arc. They have found it and tested it.
Look up Exodus. The crossing of the read sea. They have found thousands of egyptian chariot parts and wheels that have been dated back to the 18th dynasty, which was in rule by Rameses at that time.
A man by the name of Ron Wyatt and several other have rediscovered these things.

If the scriptures won't open your eyes, and these things do not open your eyes to see how great our God is, then I am truly afraid that nothing will.
God bless.

kidicarus5897

on a side note, all on here should check out the movie "The Nines" with Ryan Reynolds. Complete mind-fcuk. Definately worth watching, especially if you take an interest in the discussions takin place on here. Hell, I'm not even sure if my computer and this thread is real anymore............I'm freakin out man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GOODOLEDAYS1016

Anyone on here ever read about Sodom and Gommorah? They found it. Watch here: YouTube - The Physical remains of Sodom and Gomorrah - Part 1

I am not sure at what point that I thought I needed to prove God's existence. He is after all God!

kidicarus5897

That narraitor sounds like a phone sex operator. She says Sodom, but she is THINKING Sodomize. Just wrong.

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Fats Schindee

Here's the comic strip version of the creationism vs. evolution debate...

POPsickleSTRIP: fish man

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Just wanted to re-iterate that there is NO GOD...

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