dweebmon

No offense intended, but I got to know too many people like yourself.

Oh, and I traveled the world, became educated, experienced life, and WOKE UP.

GOODOLEDAYS1016

None taken, even though you dont know me. I would be happy to share if you ask. So, what makes you think you woke up? How does this keep you from perishing?

kidicarus5897

And for the record, EXTREEMLY annoying to be told by someone with one of the most closed minds I have ever "met" that I don't believe in anything because I don't believe what you believe. Just straight BS. In fact, what you said does nothing but reinforce the beliefs that I have, and makes me more and more greatful that I did not end up in your shoes. You can go ahead and live your life for your "salvation," and I will and go ahead and live my life for the here and now. Marx was oh so right

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GOODOLEDAYS1016

again, I apologize and hope you forgive me for making an assumption. In my defense though, I was not trying to say that because you dont believe what I believe that you dont believe in anything or you believe in nothing. This life is nothing without God. All of it. I am in no way perfect and the tongue can not be tamed. My mind, however, is not closed. It used to be dead in my sinful nature, and blind from an unbelieving eye. But now my eyes are opened up wider than they have ever been. My ears are hearing more than they have every heard. I live my life for God. The here and now are passing away. When will you listen to what is being whispered in your spirit from Him? For the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. Our flesh is passing away. Life is very fragile. The very breath that you breathe could be your last and it is all up to God! And if you died tonight, you will spend an eternity seperated from God's love in hell. I know for a fact you wouldnt want to be in my shoes. The adulteries and fornications, and the drinking and drugs, and fighting and stealing, blasphemies, guilt, remorse, hatred, and all sorts of wickedness and just so much evil that I have done. I am the cheapest of all sinners, so cheap in fact that you wouldnt even have run me down with your car (or airplane), and yet He still died for me! He didnt come here to condemn us, but He came so that we might finally look to Him and be saved.

PhantomHawk

You resigned......go away already.

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Lenzilla

Goodoledays...I mean no disrespect-I really don't, but when will you realize that virtually everything you post sounds like canned biblical rhetoric? References to biblical stories will do nothing to sway people any more than will an article in the Enquirer. NOTHING. More often than not, you sound like a robotic biblical zealot-spewing the same stuff we've heard since we were kids-the same stuff that helped me realize my path to begin with. You must realize that you come off as a religious nut job, and when you do-people shut down to what you are saying-even if there's a chance that it's in our best interests. The louder you scream to us fornicaters (sp)-the less we hear.

This debate you're having with Icarus is sad and sorry. You don't come close to giving us one good solid reason to believe. The best you've come up with amounts to scare tactics and nothing more. Scaring people into believing that their souls are in peril work on children and the weak minded. It's been the most powerful tool in the religious arsenal used for centuries to recruit new bodies. You'll find very few ideal recruits here.

Has it not occurred to you that most people are taught about religion at a very early age for a very practical-although sinister-reason. It's such common practice that it's not even recognized by those doing the teaching as bad-which to me is sooooo disturbing. I've met many people who found god later in life. Of them, not one single solitary individual did so because of some calling or because of a rational conclusion. Each one either had some tragedy befall them, had emotional/behavioral disorders, and/or suffered at one time from some type of substance or alcohol abuse. Admittedly that's only within my experience, but while I don't hear anything being whispered in my spirit (to use your words-and I have listened) the above screams to my sense of reason.

Truthfully, I feel sad for you. I think you want to make a difference. I think you believe that your "work" is good and noble. I think you want to help people. But-you've chosen a really poor venue...and you have not come even remotely close to proving god's existence. You are losing this argument. I really do wish you the best-but please, for you sanity's own sake-give it a rest.

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striker180

If there were no God, there would be no atheists...

Lenzilla

Really depends on how you read that, now doesn't it?


Regardless, sorry, it's just not that deep.

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striker180

Exactly; it definetly depends how you read it. America was founded by people who were open minded Christians and believed in freedom of religeon. So that gives you and me the right to believe whatever the heck we want to. Try getting those freedoms in another country; not happening.

BrianS

What kind of proof of God's existence are you all looking for? There are only 4 categories of proof that are available. They are:

1. Mathematical proof
2. Logical proof (what is reasonable)
3. Empirical proof (scientific method/observable data)
4. Moral proof

So, what kind of proof are you looking for?

Also, if I can prove God's existence to you are you willing to accept Jesus' life, death, and resurrection as payment for your rebellion against God? I ask this because there's a difference between proving to and persuading someone. Proof of God's existence exists as much as proof of your existence exists. You're willing to be persuaded of your own existence with or without proof. Are you willing to be persuaded of God's existence WITH PROOF? If so, tell me what type of proof you require.