Fats Schindee

Okay, I thought about it for a second. My conclusion: Your logic is silly - therefore, your argument is silly. You are saying that by us having the capacity to debate about whether or not something exists (god, in your example), that should be enough to prove that that thing actually does, in fact, exist? That's a pretty absurd way to objectify reality.

I can debate with you whether or not lots of things exist... the Flying Spaghetti Monster, aliens from Alpha Centauri, or a man that was born without fingers and thumbs, but in their place he has ten penises on his hands. That doesn't mean that any of these things do, have ever, or will ever, exist (although if that man does, I bet he never has trouble finding a date on Saturday night!). Now, mind you, it also doesn't mean that any of these things do not exist. The logic works both ways. But just being able to create a concept in one's mind, and then articulate circumstances and reasons as to the existence of said concept, does not mean that a manifestation of said concept automatically exists in reality.

I'm glad in your above statement you at least used "should be" instead of "must be" or "is"... that way you still left yourself a possibility that your argument is wrong. This way, your statement is only mostly nuts, and not completely nuts.

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But what is and what should never be."

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kidicarus5897

freakin awsome

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GOODOLEDAYS1016

No, I am saying that the simple fact that our puny little minds are questioning the exsistence of God, that our undisciplined flesh rebels against and even denies the exsistence of God, and that every rule or law that was given to us to obey by God has been trampled completely, and yet there is still the ever looming question of "Does He(God) exsist"? If everything were here by chance and God didnt exsist, then there would never be the need to have the thought of "Is there a God?". We wouldnt have or need rules or laws or stucture, morals, or guidelines. None of that would matter. Safety wouldnt be an issue because the so called survival of the fittest would do the rest, regardless. right?

If I would have used any other wording, I would be accused of "shoving my beliefs down someones throat". I used to think along the lines of what you do. And at some point or another, if God wants to get your attention, He will. You might not like it either.

kidicarus5897

Doesn't this undermine the whole idea and importance of faith? But, on this logic, I will wait for a kick in the nuts from the big guy in the sky

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GOODOLEDAYS1016

No, this is where faith begins. Read the story of Paul in the book of Acts. He used to kill Christians, but then....well, you can read.

kidicarus5897

I used to burn ants with a magnifying glass, but then.............I grew up. no need for intervention on that one. But I guess some people need to continuously be told the difference between right and wrong, others learn on their own. Religion tries to serve the former purpose, while logic tends to dictate the latter on its own (unless you are a catholic minister around choir boys.............) Sounds like Paul had some issues................
and my faith ends with me- I no longer need to be told right from wrong. Think I learned that back in kindergarden. But for slow learners, there is always religion. no offense

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GOODOLEDAYS1016

Its not about right or wrong. We are all wrong, no matter what we do or say or how we act. Its about the fact that God loves all of us.

kidicarus5897

We are all wrong? sounds like god "created" us into quite a pickle. Why do you think he/she would do that? And tell him I am sorry about the one-sided relationship we have.........I am completely happy with the love I get from my wife, family, friends and my dog. No need for a 5-some. However, if I was neglected as a child, no one told me they loved me and I needed a surrogate father-figure, I'd be right there next to you giving 20% of my paycheck and sunday mornings to god.

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GOODOLEDAYS1016

God did create us, but it was in His image (which is Holy, blameless, sinless, just, loving). But it was us who didn't listen to Him. Our backs were turned away from Him the moment that sin (the disobedience of God) occured. Hence, the pickle we are in. I was not neglected as a child, and I had plenty of people tell me they loved me growing up, and He is not a surrogate father figure. He is God. I give 10% of my paychecks to missionary services to help spread the Gospel and glorify God so that His name will be great among the nations.

davinci

goodoldays, if god is so important to you and you give 10% of your paycheck (bullsh!t) to spread the word or whatever, why are you such a hypocrite? shouldn't you start with your own actions, every day of your life, to live an example for others?

you started a 'i'm declaring bankruptcy' thread which showed a lot of us how irresponsible with money you are...a few of us pointed that out to you-respectfully-and you responded with an attack (a very immature and vicious attack) on that person's family.

maybe instead of telling people you give 10% of your paycheck to spread god's love, you can start by cleaning up your language and showing respect and integrity.

telling people about your 'tiding' habits while calling someone's sister a crackwhore just makes you a disrespectful hypocrite who is in NO position to discuss god in any convincing way.