Yariv

(continued from the other thread, no need for two threads on the same subject)

Excellent point!

god serves several psychological purposes -

• a father figure
• a friend
• gives a purpose to life
• gives a reason to be good
• allows every question to be answered
• allows every event to be part of a greater plan
• encourages one to be humble
• relieves one from having to fully deal with disappointment

I guess I can go on and on. it's easy to see why this is so enticing and once you're hooked it's hard to face the facts and realize that there is a chance that this may not be real!

instead of discussing how the world was created, which admittedly neither sides knows and any speculation is baseless, and instead of pointing out all the gaps in today's scientific knowledge, which both sides agree exist, but that do nothing to weaken the scientifc process, instead of all that, let's go back to the original subject.

it's not possible to prove god DOESN'T exist, just like it's not possible to prove the flying speghetti monster doesn't exist. but for those who claim to know (or at least believe) that god does exist, the burden of proof is on you. the way I see it you have three options:

• use the scientific method of evidence and logic to prove god exists.
• abandon logic and accept blind faith. this is respectable, but requires you to (for the purpose of this logical debate) admit that
  • you can't prove god exists, and therefore
  • you can't claim to have no doubt that god exists.
• ignore all this and post more endless details about the gaps in science, which proves nothing.

choose wisely!

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preludespeeder

Yariv,

We both know they are taking option 3. Their minds have been taken and trained to not think logically. That is the problem with most of the population in the US today. They don't think about things logically they just believe it at face value instead of question it.

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preludespeeder

You are right in your thinking. I did not mean that we atheist have no meaning in life. I meant there is no supernatural reason in life to live a certain way. I just live my life to the best I can to help the most amount for the greater good. I do not need religion or some fairy tale book to live a good life. We are just here by chance so make the best of what you have for your very short time in relation to the history of earth.

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kidicarus5897

Branded is closing, ifto facto, there is no god, because go would not do that to me/us! What kind of God would want us to commute to IAH/CLE/EWR again is beyond me

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goxc

Surely if there was a god he would not make us furlough over 900 pilots!!! :-O

Fats Schindee

It's all part of his grand plan for you... stop questioning his decisions!

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kidicarus5897

Kind of begs the question of why people pray to god. It would seem to question his plan, seeing as how he has a plan that you are trying to influence. If I were god, I would not take kindly to people trying to tell me how to do my job and unravel my plan because they want to save their pet or win the lottery. Hell, why go to chruch? Doesn't his plan include whether you go to heaven or hell? Oh, and it wasn't my fault I banged your sister............I am just living out gods' plan! what a great scapegoat

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Tango21

Is there really any reason for this thread's existence? Really? Really??? Get a freakin' life!!!

kidicarus5897

I tried! but apparently goes against gods plan cause I am still here..............

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GOODOLEDAYS1016

The burden of proof IS on us (Christians). the three options:

• use the scientific method of evidence and logic to prove god exists.
• abandon logic and accept blind faith. this is respectable, but requires you to (for the purpose of this logical debate) admit that
  • you can't prove god exists, and therefore
  • you can't claim to have no doubt that god exists.
• ignore all this and post more endless details about the gaps in science, which proves nothing.

these do nothing for anyone. The simple fact that this "debate" about whether or not God exsists should be enough to prove that God does, in fact, exsist. Think about this for a second. Why would anything made by compelete random chance, that has "for milliions and millions of years" not needed a god, suddenly be looking for a god or denying the exsistence of a god? Logically, that is impossible. We are searching for God because we have been depraved of God through sin. God does not work according to our rules. Therefore, we will never be able to understand Him. He does not do things logically. Therefore, we will never be able to understand His mysteries. He does things that we can not even understand. We are naturally rebellious towards God because every single person in this world is a sinner, and turns their back on God. We cant even follow His simple commandments. And because of that, we are seperated from knowing and seeing God. However, through Christ, who was put upon a Cross to bear the sin of the world, by His death and resurrection, we have been saved. I can only hope that atleast one person reading this will have his entire life invaded by God. God does have a plan. It is His plan. Not mine or yours or ours. His plan will not be influenced by us. The Bible shows His plan from start to finish. God is salvation. He is no scapegoat. He is not a copilot. He doesnt care about an airline or an airport or anything else except that you (everyone) just acknowledge Him and believe and trust in Him.