There is no god. - Page 137

juropilot · 05-16-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by preludespeeder

CD011.3: C-14 dates of living snails

Vollosovitch Mammoth Carbon Dating

you lose!

Just because one person posts a rebuttal doesn't automatically discredit the source. Let me ask the criticized one, and I'll get back to you. That is with the mammoth.
As far as the mollusks, I guess there is "explanation" for everything. Your source omitted to elaborate how the dead carbon affects radioactive C14. To me C14 is a completely different element.
Since you know what you're talking about, how do you explain the equilibrium problem? You know what it is, right?

davinci · 05-16-2008, 09:33 AM

Jesus was a normal dude with normal desires....and one of his desires was other men I think there are actually many historians that believe that jesus was gay. So if jesus was gay, and yet the 'bible' and religions springing from it are anti-gay, I guess we should throw the whole thing out because of the simple hypocrisies?

wasn't the bible written and rewritten to fit what other dudes thought history SHOULD have been not what it was? This is also fact. we know that many facts were left out of the bible to suit the authors. i'm sure the man on man was also deleted.

My point, you googled 'problems with carbon dating' and posted your 'proof' on the pipe. In your mind that means carbon dating is bunk. OK.

but your poster boy was homosexual-doesn't that make your hypocritical religion bunk also? yes it does because I read it on the internet.

Honky Tonk · 05-16-2008, 10:02 AM

Does God exist? Yes, this is the question that has been asked I know. But it is a question that misses the point. There is a God. Even atheists believe there is a God Except they choose to suppress the truth that is within them and make themselves God. Serving themselves, glorifying themselves and worshiping themselves. Natural man is self-centred, and I include myself when I say this.

The question you need to ask yourself is. Who was Jesus??

If you want to know God and not just if he exists or not, you can. You can know him through a personal relationship with his Son. The God man. Not just an intellectual acknowledgement but heartfelt spiritual relationship that is only possible through the Holy Spirit.

Though Christ you can be forgiven for all your sins and be reconciled to God. Apart from him you can do nothing.

Who do you think that I am? :: Grace to You
Click on the link and know the truth about God.

PM me if you need to know of a faithful Bible teaching church in Houston.

juropilot · 05-16-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by davinci

Jesus was a normal dude with normal desires....and one of his desires was other men I think there are actually many historians that believe that jesus was gay. So if jesus was gay, and yet the 'bible' and religions springing from it are anti-gay, I guess we should throw the whole thing out because of the simple hypocrisies?

wasn't the bible written and rewritten to fit what other dudes thought history SHOULD have been not what it was? This is also fact. we know that many facts were left out of the bible to suit the authors. i'm sure the man on man was also deleted.

My point, you googled 'problems with carbon dating' and posted your 'proof' on the pipe. In your mind that means carbon dating is bunk. OK.

but your poster boy was homosexual-doesn't that make your hypocritical religion bunk also? yes it does because I read it on the internet.

Davinci,

I told you before that because you aren't capable of anything beyond googling something does not mean that everyone is like that.
So please, I know a lot more about the subject than you think. I did not need to google it.

My poster boy was a homo? Just because you believe that?
The other guys on the pipe at least have something reasonable to pitch it, but you don't. Perhaps you should refrain from making posts, unless you have something at least semi-inteligent to say.

Yariv · 05-16-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Does God exist? Yes, this is the question that has been asked I know. But it is a question that misses the point. There is a God. Even atheists believe there is a God Except they choose to suppress the truth that is within them and make themselves God. Serving themselves, glorifying themselves and worshiping themselves. Natural man is self-centred, and I include myself when I say this.

The question you need to ask yourself is. Who was Jesus??

No, the question is "does god exist?"
Only after you answer this (with more than just a "YES") can you move on to other questions.

If you want to participate in a debate, you have to
1. accept the fact that there really are people who have opinions different than yours
2. try to show them that your way is correct and theirs if wrong, using logic and evidence.

so for you to say that atheist DO belive in god, they just suppress it to glorify themselves, is a fail grade on #1 above. the rest of your post is a fail on #2.

I (and a couple of others here, and millions around the world) really do strongly believe that there is no such thing as god. can you accept this? this glorifies nature, of which we are a small part, it doesn't glorify me or anyone else. now, can you show me where I went wrong? why should I believe god exist? if you believe it without doubt, this question shouldn't be hard to answer.

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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

If you want to know God and not just if he exists or not, you can. You can know him through a personal relationship with his Son. The God man. Not just an intellectual acknowledgement but heartfelt spiritual relationship that is only possible through the Holy Spirit.

OK, so you agree with me that it's more than just a YES. it takes more to know whether god exists. Now if I'm not convinced jesus is god's son (because I don't believe god exists) then how can a personal relationship with a person who lived 2000 years ago help me in this respect? and "you won't know until you try it" is not a good enough answer, because you sure are missing out on a personal relationship with the speghetti monster. it's not just an intellectual relationship, it's spiritual beyond anything the holy spirit does for ya. you won't know until you try. and if you call out for the speghetti monster and hear no answer, it's because you don't really mean it or are not praying hard enough.

this is a logical debate, not a theological one. if you'd like to participate, read back a few pages and then tell us something we haven't heard yet.

nothing personal my friend! I wish you happiness in your faith. but if you choose to participate here, you have to be ready to defend your ideas.

Yariv · 05-16-2008, 02:26 PM

I appologize in advance for quoting myself! this is from a couple of pages ago and I was hoping for more of a response for this from the believers.

though somehow it didn't surprise me that it was ignored. so here it is again.

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Originally Posted by Yariv

I'll start us off.

God doesn't exist, because
1. We have no logical reason to think he exists.
2. Many people believe he exists based on things we don't agree with.
3. Many people believe in another form of a god or gods, and whose to say our god exists and theirs doesn't.

before you reply, think about these in terms of ancient greek person, or mayan, persian, hindu, etc, explaining to his friends why the god(s) they believe in don't exist. if he's right, then can the same be applied to your god? if he's wrong, his gods DO exist! it's a lose/lose situation.

preludespeeder · 05-16-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Does God exist? Yes, this is the question that has been asked I know. But it is a question that misses the point. There is a God. Even atheists believe there is a God Except they choose to suppress the truth that is within them and make themselves God. Serving themselves, glorifying themselves and worshiping themselves. Natural man is self-centred, and I include myself when I say this.

The question you need to ask yourself is. Who was Jesus??

If you want to know God and not just if he exists or not, you can. You can know him through a personal relationship with his Son. The God man. Not just an intellectual acknowledgement but heartfelt spiritual relationship that is only possible through the Holy Spirit.

Though Christ you can be forgiven for all your sins and be reconciled to God. Apart from him you can do nothing.

Who do you think that I am? :: Grace to You
Click on the link and know the truth about God.

PM me if you need to know of a faithful Bible teaching church in Houston.

I have one question for you, if God is the person who started all of this, answer a simple question. Where did God come from? Who made him?

Why I know there is no god, other then the FACT that there is no proof, is that god was created to explain things that could not be explained. The problem with that thinking though is that when you apply a supernatural being to a problem like where did all this come from, all you have done is add another area of confusion and stupidity to solve a problem. With god you have to first explain where he is and how he did all of this, then you have to explain where he came from.

Use logic and reasoning to think about the God hypothesis. Do not use feelings, emotions, or holy spirits.

By the way I was laughing when I read the Jesus is thought to be GAY. Now that is funny. It would not surprise me if he was and the people who wrote the bible left if out. Well that is if he even existed.

preludespeeder · 05-16-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by juropilot

Just because one person posts a rebuttal doesn't automatically discredit the source. Let me ask the criticized one, and I'll get back to you. That is with the mammoth.
As far as the mollusks, I guess there is "explanation" for everything. Your source omitted to elaborate how the dead carbon affects radioactive C14. To me C14 is a completely different element.
Since you know what you're talking about, how do you explain the equilibrium problem? You know what it is, right?

What I found interesting about your argument is that you do not come by this knowledge at all. You have read this information right our of your bible thumping creationist (intelligent design) book and posted it on here. Go back and look at the links I provided you. It cites how these non-scientist are hand picking lines of real research to disprove something they do not understand. If you think any smart person is going to believe your failed argument that is only selecting a small and I mean small portion of what it takes to date something found in the ground then you have failed in trying to get us to believe in the lies you speak.

BrianS · 05-16-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by davinci

Jesus was a normal dude with normal desires....and one of his desires was other men I think there are actually many historians that believe that jesus was gay. So if jesus was gay, and yet the 'bible' and religions springing from it are anti-gay, I guess we should throw the whole thing out because of the simple hypocrisies?

wasn't the bible written and rewritten to fit what other dudes thought history SHOULD have been not what it was? This is also fact. we know that many facts were left out of the bible to suit the authors. i'm sure the man on man was also deleted.

You say you think Jesus was gay. What is your source for this? There are many historical references to Jesus, but the only documents we have close to a journal of Jesus' daily life is in the scriptures. You claim yourself that the "fact" of Jesus being gay "was also deleted" from the scriptures. Well, which is it? How can you say in one sentence there is evidence of Jesus being gay and in another sentence you say the evidence was deleted?

davinci · 05-16-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Does God exist? Yes, this is the question that has been asked I know. But it is a question that misses the point. There is a God. Even atheists believe there is a God Except they choose to suppress the truth that is within them and make themselves God. Serving themselves, glorifying themselves and worshiping themselves.

um....wow. you are a little sheltered my friend. I hate to break this to you, but, there are people who don't believe in the fairy tails you preach.

And jesus...i'm sure my post about jesus being gay sounded like flame bait, but there are serious theologians and historians who believe this. Frankly I don't care. There was a documentary about it on the history channel. I'm not making it up. There is a lot about your 'son of god' that has been suppressed and history has been rewritten to fit a mold. you can close your eyes to that or not.