preludespeeder

The problem is religion is not happy with letting Atheist be who they want to be, they have to attack them, they have to attack anyone who does not follow the religions beliefs (ie: abortion, gay marriage, no god). Religion is doing everything it can to get our government to back Christianity because they feel it is the best. Well they are wrong and until they can keep themselves within, there will always be people arguing this.

Now I do understand that you maybe one of a few religious people who are not that way so I am not saying you are like this but overall religion is like this. Have a good day also.

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TheBills

It works both ways you must admit, atheists attack religion and sure religion attacks atheists. It has always been that way. You cannot just point the finger in one direction. What has been written on this topic alone proves my point. Just need to clear that up.

Yariv

you hit the nail on the head. we CANNOT know. in the story, we WITNESSED it, so we can know. but in reality, we CANNOT KNOW ANYTHING. the best we can do is examine the evidence and guess (theorize). our guesses have to be educated though. you cannot make an uneducated guess - that is to say you can't come up with a theory unless there is evidence to support it, and the theory makes sense and doesn't contradict the evidence or any other educated theories.

Science is an educated guess. Religion is an uneducated guess.

Science admits that we don't know. Religion claims that we do know.

you said yourself, that we cannot know. I agree.

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BrianS

Your statement is self defeating. You claim "we CANNOT KNOW ANYTHING", but that itself is a statement of knowledge. It's like me writing here that I've never made a post on this forum. Do you see the contradiction? Are you sure that you know that we cannot know? Even if we overlook the fact your statement contradicts itself, how can you be positive "we cannot know anything"? Do you know everything? In order to make your statement you would have to know everything. If you didn't know everything then what if there was something that we COULD know that you weren't aware of?

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You guys scared that your thread will be over taken by another only started 2 days ago?

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Chris92

Its a 2 way street though. Atheist get on the defensive when in discussion about Christianity and Christians can get on the defensive when discussing about atheism. I think thats the main problem with all of this, instead of just respecting each others beliefs its often easier to debate it or argue it. Bottom line is it should be "to each their own" the most extreme version of this argument are the radical Muslims that feel they need to destroy anyone and everyone that doesnt believe what they believe. Wouldn't it be nice if they just said to each their own? At least atheist and Christians havent gotten that far yet.

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watch out for those back stabbin' atheist beavers!

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preludespeeder

You are playing with words there. Very nice. IMO though it is easier to say you don't know everything, which is what science says, instead of saying that you know everything without needing proof. I can say I have proof that you have posted on this board, but you might say that God said in the bible that you did not post on here. Then tell me that I need to have faith because god said so in the bible. Yet I can offer proof that you have posted on this board. You here me now?

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Chris92

I dont understand why you try and prove it wrong. IF you are for certain that god doesnt exist then move along. What causes you to continue to try and argue the point. Remember to each their own, i respect your beliefs and i would hope you would respect mine. I am not going to try and convince you one way or the other. I just dont understand why non-believers spend so much energy arguing something they are certain doesnt exist? Why is that?

Whats true to you may not be true to me and whats blue to you may not be blue to me. Simple as that. Everyone goes through life trying to just live and understand ones purpose. Some figure it out, some think they have figured it out and some flat out cant figure it out. Makes sense to me but might not make sense to you, so be it.

Bottom line is this discussion wont be relevant probably until the day you die. Even then it wont be relevant because you will be dead and cant argue it on the crackpipe anymore. You either meet god or go to heaven or you dont(either because you were right or because you didnt believe) either way its irrelevant at that point isnt it. Clear as mud

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BrianS

If science says that we don't know everything, then science can never say there is no God, right? Scientifically you have to be open to the possibility unless there's proof there is no God. If you have no proof against there being a God and the hypothesis is presented, then true science would have to at least be open to testing the hypothesis.

Who says there is no proof for God? Your proof that I posted here is what? You have a written account of my post. I have written accounts from believers and non-believers of a historical person claiming to be God who worked miracles, died, and three days later walked around claiming to have risen from the grave. At a minimum those written accounts are enough proof to form a hypothesis that there is a God.

Don't misunderstand faith. It is not believing something without reason. The Bible is not one book but 66 books by over 40 authors from widely varied backgrounds written over a span of 1500 years that are in complete agreement over who God is and what he requires of us. Just reading the scriptures and seeing how each author's writing, from people who never knew each other and never shared their thoughts or writings, can be used to cross reference each other without ever contradicting is certainly not a leap in the dark. What other religion has that? None. Have scientists over 1500 years even accomplished that? Your beloved scientists are all searching for the truth about this world and have over 1500 years come up with widely varying ideas. The writers of scripture are considered trustworthy about truth to this day, even by many scientists.