There is no god. - Page 104

Wes Mantooth · 04-08-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Marsh

Atheism is a religion
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So you have no argument and now you are trolling. Fantastic. You missed the generalization of Christians I made off of one group of nutcases. I didn't expect you to get childish over this. I expected you to make an argument. I'm sorry I was mistaken.

Red Swingline · 04-08-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth

So you have no argument and now you are trolling. Fantastic. You missed the generalization of Christians I made off of one group of nutcases. I didn't expect you to get childish over this. I expected you to make an argument. I'm sorry I was mistaken.

I don't think linking to South Park vids even counts as trolling!

AviatorTx · 04-08-2008, 07:08 PM

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Stan Marsh · 04-08-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth

So you have no argument and now you are trolling. Fantastic. You missed the generalization of Christians I made off of one group of nutcases. I didn't expect you to get childish over this. I expected you to make an argument. I'm sorry I was mistaken.

Wes, your atheism beliefs are as much as a religion as Christianity beliefs. I'll take rule by the majority.

Watch the episodes Wes, you'll see how stupid a lot of your points of how evil religion has been in the past really are.

Wes Mantooth · 04-08-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Marsh

Wes, your atheism beliefs are as much as a religion as Christianity beliefs. I'll take rule by the majority.

Watch the episodes Wes, you'll see how stupid a lot of your points of how evil religion has been in the past really are.

You never made it clear how atheism is a religion. Right now all I can tell is if anybody has any belief such as if there are aliens they are now a religion. Just clarify that is all I'm asking. As what AviatorTX said your definition right now includes politics as a religion. What points have I made about about religion being evil in the past? I believe I have mentioned the Dark Ages and the Spanish Inquisition in this thread. But that is not to say all Christians are capable of such things.

Also if you haven't notice I'm an agnostic to the concept of a higher power. I just don't believe in any of the God's of major religions. Just as you don't believe in Thor or Zeus, I don't believe in the Abrahamic God(s).

Take it easy. I am not trying to covert you. I honestly don't care what you believe. Just for semantics sake I was trying to figure out your criteria for religion and how atheism could fit in.

Wes Mantooth · 04-08-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Swingline

I don't think linking to South Park vids even counts as trolling!

Sorry but the first site brought me to a site about Viagra. I didn't even bother to look at the other link. I'm guessing I may have some adware on my computer.

Sorry also to Stan I thought you were trolling with those links.

Lenzilla · 04-08-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyin145s

What gets me on the flip side of some of this is the notion that the entire universe exists as a great, cosmic mistake...a big accident.

From the size of our planet to it's perfect positioning, with orbiting moon to provide it's gravitational influence, down to the tiniest microbe, it's all just a big, random happenstance.

Even science will tell you that we can't get life from where no life existed, yet we're to believe that exactly that happened strickly by accident.

I don't know what the odds of all that are, but I once heard it described as setting a nuclear bomb off and getting part of the debris to suddenly form a fully functioning 747.

If our planet were larger or smaller, or further or closer to the sun, we wouldn't be here.

Another complexity I read about (and just cut-and-pasted) was taking the example of the E. coli bacteria.

The bacterial flagellum is what propels E. coli bacteria through its microscopic world. It consists of about 40 individual protein parts including a stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, and propeller. It's a microscopic outboard motor! The individual parts come into focus when magnified 50,000 times (using electron micrographs). And even though these microscopic outboard motors run at an incredible 100,000 rpm, they can stop on a microscopic dime. It takes only a quarter turn for them to stop, shift directions and start spinning 100,000 rpm in the opposite direction! The flagellar motor has two gears (forward and reverse), is water-cooled, and is hardwired into a signal transduction (sensory mechanism) so that it receives feedback from its environment.

But all this was, again, just a big mistake. A random act that could have never happened, in which case, this entire universe (our own galaxy taking 100,000 years to cross if travelling at the speed of light) would be existing right now without any life in it anywhere. A never-ending chasam of emptiness, existing unaware, unappreciated by anyone or anything, because noBODY exists to know about it.

But here we are talking about it. Contemplating it. Not just "life" like bacteria or a plant somewhere, but as individual, cognative and reasoning beings...all by accident.

Ooops!

I swore I wouldn't enter in to the main part of the god/no god argument, but...

Edited...I see someone already brought up irreducible complexity. You're right about one thing. Oopsies and accidents have very little to do with our evolution.

aussieflyboy · 04-08-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Marsh

Wes, your atheism beliefs are as much as a religion as Christianity beliefs. I'll take rule by the majority.

Watch the episodes Wes, you'll see how stupid a lot of your points of how evil religion has been in the past really are.

I'm sorry Stan but just because the majority of people in this country consider themselves Christians and believe in the Christian god doesn't make it any less incorrect to do so.

Most people in the Arab world believe in Islam.

Most people in China believe in Buddhism.

Most people in India believe in Hinduism.

What the hell difference does it matter what the majority of people believe in?

The sad fact is that no matter what religion you believe in, you're simply looking for answers to questions to which you can't be bothered to look for a logical explanation.

The argument "Majority Rules" is a pathetic and ignorant one.

Skiy · 04-09-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

The sad fact is that no matter what religion you believe in, you're simply looking for answers to questions to which you can't be bothered to look for a logical explanation.

The argument "Majority Rules" is a pathetic and ignorant one.

Wow, arrogance and at it's worst. So I "can't be bothered to look for a logical explanation." Yea, I think I've searched for a logical explanation for the beginning of time, the original energy source for the big bang theory, an explanation of the complicated structure of a cell and how matter where nobody can explanation for the origin of randomly formed into the complexity of a single cell, let alone a full organism or the purpose of life. But the human spirit, the sixth sense, faith, hope, love, etc. defies logic so please enlighten me where science has all the answers to those origins.

Oh and if you ever have any kids, I guess their just random blocks of atoms formed so I'd suggest adopting a plant because it's less complicated matter to take care of.

And you left Australia and chose Christmas and Easter federal holidays USA just like Australia. North Korea would have been a closer move and they don't allow religion over there. Utopia Aussieboy! It's not to late to join the empty soul/spirit land, but at least they throw a hell of a time sterile public celebrations.

Good day and God Bless. Just seems like you really need it.

Fats Schindee · 04-09-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Skiy

Your lengthy responses is exactly the problem I have with those that lean atheist and have no problem trying to implement it in public policy.

Sorry about the lengthy responses... but, when I can, I'm just trying to show the logic behind my thought processes (which is lacking in many of the responses on this thread), and many of these topics aren't that simple as to just reply in a sentence or two. So I try to define terms I'm using so that there isn't too much semantic misunderstanding, and I try to show how one concept leads to another or how it may disconnect from another. I may not always convey exactly what's running through my mind, but I try. It's hard to keep it short and still make it be logically apparent.

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Originally Posted by Skiy

Your attempt at replacing atheism with Christianity just did not mesh well at. Though you do say you don't wish to completely remove it at the end, there are many that would.

True, some would. And that's sad (as is the fact that there are those that want to remove atheism and force everyone to be religious). It would be a great cultural and historical loss for the world if Christianity was completely removed. I'm just talking about removal from public policy in the U.S. Our founding fathers (smartly) set up this country to not have a national religion, based on the religious persecution that their immediate ancestors dealt with that caused them to flee Great Britain in the first place. There is still no need for one today...

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Originally Posted by Skiy

Yes, the majority of our culture is Christian leaning and not by a slim margin like your illogical 51-49 odd women to men split argument, but greater than 80%.

First, how is my argument illogical? Just because the majority of women over men isn't as large as the majority of Christians over atheists, doesn't mean that it isn't a majority (or illogical). I purposefully used that example because of the slim margin, just to show how silly the argument of "well, if a majority is X, than not only must X be true, but we must all also be forced to be X" is.

Secondly, you think that 80% is a large enough margin to make this argument logical, but 51% isn't... what would be your cut off point? Is 75% enough? How about 59%? Not that it matters, but I was just wondering...

I'll use a different example, and see if you find it any more logical... the data I use come from the 2000 U.S. census and the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey. The majority of citizens in our nation are Caucasian (75.1%; a closer percentage to that of Christians, 79.8%), and a minority are African-American (12.3%; closer to that of the Atheist/Agnostic/No Religion answer in the survey, 15%... which incidentally, was up from the 8.4% response in the 1990 survey, when Christian was reported 88.3% of the time... WATCH OUT, WE'RE MULTIPLYING!!!

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Anyway, based on these percentages that are more logical to you, should we legislate that whites control the country, and that blacks must be forced to have whites' beliefs and values pushed on them? And that all other minorities also must be subjugated to the laws that stem from the whites' beliefs, because they are in the majority? This is essentially what it sounds like you are saying we should do religiously in this country, because Christianity is the majority religion. If that is not what you mean by your above statements, then please explain further what you meant by "We are a Christian nation, get over it. In a democracy, majority rules." Thanks.