There is no god. - Page 101

fightingscots · 04-07-2008, 10:19 PM

Might as well bracket the 1000th post on this thread with the 1000th reply mark as well

2percent · 04-07-2008, 10:26 PM

1002 and I Believe in God...

Yariv · 04-07-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lap

Can someone post the cliff notes version of the last 100 pages please?

Here ya go

http://www.expressjetpilots.com/the-...int.html?pp=40

to summarize, we have about 5 atheists and a precession of theists. The way I read it, each theist presented his reasons for belief, and the atheists shot them down consistently to where the only one left was "cause the bible says so." the theist then goes on to say that he has the right to belive no matter what the atheists say (which is absolutely true) but goes just short of saying "even though I really can't prove god exists." then the theist stops posting and a new one pops up. no theist has stayed here long enough to answer the doubts raised by the atheists about any PROOF of god's existence, and the reliability of the bible. the atheist have asked questions that are unaswered, such as

is there any more evidence that god exists than evidence that santa claus exists?
if christianity is all about love thy neighbor and such, why are atheists treated worse than a bleeding rat in a tampon factory?
is there anything in the physical world that can't happen without god?

we also had a short discussion about creationism and about abortion. we all agree about abortion - it's bad and shouldn't happen. but we disagree about whether the govt. has the right to control it. and surprisingly we had little luck trying to talk sense into the couple of guys who swear by creationism and reject evolution.

I can tell you that personally I'm sincerely looking for any shred of proof or evidence god exists, because I really need to understand how the majority of the population in the world believes it. it's stupifying! so far in 100 pages, "I still haven't found what I'm looking for."

(maybe that's what U2 was singing about... it's a gospel song originally)

2percent · 04-08-2008, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Yariv

Here ya go

http://www.expressjetpilots.com/the-...int.html?pp=40

to summarize, we have about 5 atheists and a precession of theists. The way I read it, each theist presented his reasons for belief, and the atheists shot them down consistently to where the only one left was "cause the bible says so." the theist then goes on to say that he has the right to belive no matter what the atheists say (which is absolutely true) but goes just short of saying "even though I really can't prove god exists." then the theist stops posting and a new one pops up. no theist has stayed here long enough to answer the doubts raised by the atheists about any PROOF of god's existence, and the reliability of the bible. the atheist have asked questions that are unaswered, such as

is there any more evidence that god exists than evidence that santa claus exists?
if christianity is all about love thy neighbor and such, why are atheists treated worse than a bleeding rat in a tampon factory?
is there anything in the physical world that can't happen without god?

we also had a short discussion about creationism and about abortion. we all agree about abortion - it's bad and shouldn't happen. but we disagree about whether the govt. has the right to control it. and surprisingly we had little luck trying to talk sense into the couple of guys who swear by creationism and reject evolution.

I can tell you that personally I'm sincerely looking for any shred of proof or evidence god exists, because I really need to understand how the majority of the population in the world believes it. it's stupifying! so far in 100 pages, "I still haven't found what I'm looking for."

(maybe that's what U2 was singing about... it's a gospel song originally)

Just want to touch on your last paragraph...

I have been thinking about what you have stated... "I am looking for any shred of proof." For some reason I think you are actually sincerely looking..the fact is I'm not sure your going to find it on here...

1. because its hard to single it down to a fact....

a. fact.. their is a Bible....
1. this will not stand with yalls argument that "the Bible was written buy
man.. and the Bible does not prove anything... and all of this stuff
can go on and on and on....

2. your a smart guy and probably know the Bible better than i do...as well as physics, English, cars..

but to me it all boils down to this.... and like i have said you know more about this than i do... so here is the way that I break it down. If " God" wanted us to KNOW he existed of course he would absolutely PHYSICALLY present himself in this present time to gave us all more facts.. absolute proof... Sounds simple...and obvious... But he does not work that way. For the same reason that he put the bad tree in the garden. To prove our love to him. He gave us free will. If God wanted to make us hand puppets and program us he would have. But then we would't have to have faith..Hebrews 11 faith is the substance of things hoped for in the evidents of things not seen...that is how the Bible spells it out . or "sticking our head in the sand" you could say.. I guess that is why I personally cannot come up with a fact that will stand up to your argument..would this stand up in court i dont know ask OJ..some crazier things have happened. .. Besides the fact that we have an earth and the things in this earth really on laws, and instincts. And how co dependent things are with one another... and i'm sure i am boring you with all this but that is my spill.... and im sure yall will have some way to destroy this but just had to get it off my chest.. I couldn't sleep until i did.

"I am looking for any shred of proof." so what i guess God, to me.... put here as proof earth, trees, people, bees, flowers, water, air,..instincts, just for example pollination of trees and flowers if no bees no existence of these things...

So the fact that your looking for im not sure you will find.. I do pray for science to come up with more answers....for yalls sake...

which leads me to a question.. do you think modern science points more to a intelligent designer... or to evolution or "random chance"

have a good one
John Lawdermilk

mckpickle · 04-08-2008, 02:30 AM

You're basing your assumtion that god exists because there is a bible? Ohhhhhh brother....... In that case than don't UFO's exist because there are news paper articles? This thread has made me believe two things. 1. I believe less in god, and 2. I believe less in my fellow man.

T/R DISAGREE · 04-08-2008, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mckpickle

You're basing your assumtion that god exists because there is a bible? Ohhhhhh brother....... In that case than don't UFO's exist because there are news paper articles? This thread has made me believe two things. 1. I believe less in god, and 2. I believe less in my fellow man.

Just remember that you are giving money to the church because you are too cheap to get married outside with a JOP or a ordained minister. Oh wait the misses makes all your decisions now, you might as well put your balls in her purse now. Try not to burst into flames when you exchange your vows.

I am going shopping for your wedding gift tomorrow, I am getting you the sex swing and a rubber mushroom stamp.

Lenzilla · 04-08-2008, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Yariv

why are atheists treated worse than a bleeding rat in a tampon factory?

That's just damned funny right there. Not sure why it cracks me up as much as it does, but my keyboard is now coffee colored.

Lenzilla · 04-08-2008, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by T/R DISAGREE

Just remember that you are giving money to the church because you are too cheap to get married outside with a JOP or a ordained minister. Oh wait the misses makes all your decisions now, you might as well put your balls in her purse now. Try not to burst into flames when you exchange your vows.

I am going shopping for your wedding gift tomorrow, I am getting you the sex swing and a rubber mushroom stamp.

Holy crap. Steve's gettin' hitched? I had no idea. Congratulations, man! Good luck!

Len

Red Swingline · 04-08-2008, 09:05 AM

Yariv, I'm sorry, but I have to call Shenanigans on you. The tone of your post belies your claimed goals. Your belief that you've "shot down" and run off every Theist and their "stupefying" beliefs on here is evidence that you must not really be interested in what you claim to be searching for; most of us have said the same thing repeatedly yet it's dismissed off hand.

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is there any more evidence that god exists than evidence that santa claus exists?
if christianity is all about love thy neighbor and such, why are atheists treated worse than a bleeding rat in a tampon factory?
is there anything in the physical world that can't happen without god?

I and many others have said time and time again that there is no direct, measurable, quantifiable evidence of God's existence. Were there such evidence, the need for (here's that word you so deride) faith would be unnecessary. It's as simple as that. As long as you challenge God to show you absolute proof, He will not. If you ask God to change your heart He most definitely will. Now, those of us who believe in God recognize His hand in every aspect of life. I recognize His workings in everything from "the birds of the air" to quantum mechanics, but that's just me.

This leads in to your third point - free will. You are free to live your life exactly how you want. If you don't want to deal with God, you are welcome to avoid Him, it's as simple as that. The exciting thing is, if you choose not to believe in Him, that means you don't have to believe in the afterlife either and so don't let it worry you. Now, let me pre-empt the response to this; one that goes something like, "Why would I want to believe in a God that will punish me for not believing?" Let's try some other variations of that question. Why would I want to pay taxes to a government that would put me in jail for not paying taxes? Why would I want to be healthy when I'm just going to die anyway? Why do I have to be responsible for the consequences of my actions? Well, to put it bluntly, that's the way it works.

Your second point is the hardest of them all for me personally. It's what I struggled with for many, many years due to my past experiences with "religious" people. There are actually two components to your second point; firstly, I can't tell you how to move past the persecution complex. There is a certain level of self-fulfilling prophesy involved with taking on the mantle of the much maligned "Atheist". If you believe that everyone is out to get you, you will find examples of that malicious intent everywhere you look. I'm certainly not out to get you or anyone. I like to believe that were it to happen, you and I could fly a great 4 day together, enjoy a couple of beers and complain about Chautauqua, Continental and Q-400's and have and all around relaxed time.

That being said, there are far too many "Christians" or other religious folks who take God's Judgmental Duties upon themselves and hand it out to all they see. This goes directly against everything in both the Old and New Testament. It's not our place to do that, and it pains me to see it happen. If there's one component most of us can agree on whether we are Theist, Atheist or Agnostic, it's that we need to treat one another with respect and care - and that's something many still miss.

So, the only answer to your second point is an apology that we humans have failed to be godly enough for you, but that's what we do. I'll wager that someone who doesn't believe in God can disappoint or upset you just as easily as one who does. If you don't put your faith in humans specifically though, you'll find you'll be less disappointed.

In the end if you really are truly interested in finding God, wherever you are sitting right now, take a moment and sincerely ask Him to change your heart. Hey, if He's not real, no harm no foul - but if it is time for you to find out about Him, He will answer you. Only then can you honestly say you are, "... sincerely looking for any shred of proof or evidence god exists...".

Anyway, back to the shooting.

judge · 04-08-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Yariv

PROOF of god's existence,....

I can tell you that personally I'm sincerely looking for any shred of proof or evidence god exists, because I really need to understand how the majority of the population in the world believes it. it's stupifying! so far in 100 pages, "I still haven't found what I'm looking for."

if you are looking for proof you wont find that proof on the crack pipe. wrong place to look.

ever thought about asking The Man himself if He is there?
if you are truly sincere you might just get an answer (albeit not immediately).