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07-05-2008, 11:25 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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The past is repeating itself. I've seen it before, and I see it again.
A large number of 'Directors' and 'Managers'.
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Yeah, thats one of the similarities I was talking about.
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There is a term for that.....and it is not whore. Pardon me again for mis articulating this. But as I see it those willing to play it here would be the same people willing to cross a picket line because there sick kid/wife needed the health insurance:twisted:
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07-05-2008, 03:42 PM
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Nothing like a little crap news, or lack thereof, to stir up some emotion.
Now, on to more important things. I am widely regarded as a pretty level headed guy; and that being said, I am always willing to look at the entire picture before casting a vote. HOWEVER, the company has done nothing to win me over by taking a "hush" stance on this life altering news for many of our employees. As of today, at 1928z, still no official announcement from XJT to its employees about the cancellation of the DAL CPA. In fact, I think XJT.com simply says, "Have a safe and happy Fourth of July." CCS says absolutely nothing. Futhermore, if, given the most recent announcements, and announcements to come, the company wishes to collect concessions from our pilots, shouldn't you atleast run your company as efficiently as possible? I mean, should you make sure you are assigning legal pairings to pilots so that you don't have to pull them off in the middle and pay RX them while some other pilots gets paid to fly the same legs you are being paid for??? Shouldn't the scheduling department make absolutely sure that it has an error proof methodology for notifying pilots of their pairing assignments and amendments??? Shouldn't the company make sure that its pilots are placed in a hotel in a timely fashion so that they can receive proper rest prior to resuming their pairing. The consequence of not doing so is that the pilot who dutied off at 2330, but does not get a hotel room until 0300, cannot safely accept that 0800 show time. The flight is either cancelled or recrewed or delayed. Any of these options COST $$. So, back to my original point, I will promise to listen and entertain creative options for cost savings as soon as the company runs the most efficient operation that they can possibly run. Once I know that they are doing everything in their power to mitigate today's challenges, then I will be willing to, at the very least, LISTEN. Until then, NO... NO... and one more time... NO! I refuse to consider or lobby my fellow pilots to consider a concession until I see a genuine effort efficiently run our operation. All this being said, I am grateful that the scheduling supervisors have always been willing to work with us to fix these issues when they are discovered. Unfortunately, these issues are often discovered too late to circumvent a COST to the company operation. Phillip, Heather, Dean, and Melissa are truly an asset to that department. Without them, it actually could be worse.
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07-05-2008, 05:18 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Good one dude.
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SOunds like your ego needs a little TLC and like this is a competition. Oh, BTW shut your pie hole about my wife only people i like and know me are allowed to reference. Grow up and stop trying so hard, its embarrassing.
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07-05-2008, 06:49 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: US
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Originally Posted by hokiepilot
Nothing like a little crap news, or lack thereof, to stir up some emotion.
Now, on to more important things. I am widely regarded as a pretty level headed guy; and that being said, I am always willing to look at the entire picture before casting a vote. HOWEVER, the company has done nothing to win me over by taking a "hush" stance on this life altering news for many of our employees. As of today, at 1928z, still no official announcement from XJT to its employees about the cancellation of the DAL CPA. In fact, I think XJT.com simply says, "Have a safe and happy Fourth of July." CCS says absolutely nothing. Futhermore, if, given the most recent announcements, and announcements to come, the company wishes to collect concessions from our pilots, shouldn't you atleast run your company as efficiently as possible? I mean, should you make sure you are assigning legal pairings to pilots so that you don't have to pull them off in the middle and pay RX them while some other pilots gets paid to fly the same legs you are being paid for??? Shouldn't the scheduling department make absolutely sure that it has an error proof methodology for notifying pilots of their pairing assignments and amendments??? Shouldn't the company make sure that its pilots are placed in a hotel in a timely fashion so that they can receive proper rest prior to resuming their pairing. The consequence of not doing so is that the pilot who dutied off at 2330, but does not get a hotel room until 0300, cannot safely accept that 0800 show time. The flight is either cancelled or recrewed or delayed. Any of these options COST $$. So, back to my original point, I will promise to listen and entertain creative options for cost savings as soon as the company runs the most efficient operation that they can possibly run. Once I know that they are doing everything in their power to mitigate today's challenges, then I will be willing to, at the very least, LISTEN. Until then, NO... NO... and one more time... NO! I refuse to consider or lobby my fellow pilots to consider a concession until I see a genuine effort efficiently run our operation. All this being said, I am grateful that the scheduling supervisors have always been willing to work with us to fix these issues when they are discovered. Unfortunately, these issues are often discovered too late to circumvent a COST to the company operation. Phillip, Heather, Dean, and Melissa are truly an asset to that department. Without them, it actually could be worse.
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AMEN!! This is by far the best post in the last two days... Our union must get the ball in this case and be the watch dog. I'm with you...I say NO until I see the problems solved. We run an airline with so much wasted money and resources that fixing that alone may actually bring a profit.
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07-05-2008, 07:03 PM
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I just want everyone to do their jobs to the best of their ability. You can't go wrong if people everyone does their jobs.
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07-05-2008, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by surfrider
SOunds like your ego needs a little TLC and like this is a competition. Oh, BTW shut your pie hole about my wife only people i like and know me are allowed to reference. Grow up and stop trying so hard, its embarrassing.
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Who's making it a competition? Maybe you should heed your own words about ego.
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There is a term for that.....and it is not whore. Pardon me again for mis articulating this. But as I see it those willing to play it here would be the same people willing to cross a picket line because there sick kid/wife needed the health insurance:twisted:
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07-05-2008, 07:37 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
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Originally Posted by hokiepilot
Nothing like a little crap news, or lack thereof, to stir up some emotion.
Now, on to more important things. I am widely regarded as a pretty level headed guy; and that being said, I am always willing to look at the entire picture before casting a vote. HOWEVER, the company has done nothing to win me over by taking a "hush" stance on this life altering news for many of our employees. As of today, at 1928z, still no official announcement from XJT to its employees about the cancellation of the DAL CPA. In fact, I think XJT.com simply says, "Have a safe and happy Fourth of July." CCS says absolutely nothing. Futhermore, if, given the most recent announcements, and announcements to come, the company wishes to collect concessions from our pilots, shouldn't you atleast run your company as efficiently as possible? I mean, should you make sure you are assigning legal pairings to pilots so that you don't have to pull them off in the middle and pay RX them while some other pilots gets paid to fly the same legs you are being paid for??? Shouldn't the scheduling department make absolutely sure that it has an error proof methodology for notifying pilots of their pairing assignments and amendments??? Shouldn't the company make sure that its pilots are placed in a hotel in a timely fashion so that they can receive proper rest prior to resuming their pairing. The consequence of not doing so is that the pilot who dutied off at 2330, but does not get a hotel room until 0300, cannot safely accept that 0800 show time. The flight is either cancelled or recrewed or delayed. Any of these options COST $$. So, back to my original point, I will promise to listen and entertain creative options for cost savings as soon as the company runs the most efficient operation that they can possibly run. Once I know that they are doing everything in their power to mitigate today's challenges, then I will be willing to, at the very least, LISTEN. Until then, NO... NO... and one more time... NO! I refuse to consider or lobby my fellow pilots to consider a concession until I see a genuine effort efficiently run our operation. All this being said, I am grateful that the scheduling supervisors have always been willing to work with us to fix these issues when they are discovered. Unfortunately, these issues are often discovered too late to circumvent a COST to the company operation. Phillip, Heather, Dean, and Melissa are truly an asset to that department. Without them, it actually could be worse.
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Well said ... I too am an LAX pilot and have seen/heard nothing. The LAX crew room is a ghost town. Chief pilot is gone, flying a CoEx trip (or so is the word). Base administrator went to Germany for vacation (or so is the word). That leaves the crew tracker, who may or may not show up these days. No word from the company leaves lots of room for rumors and chatter. The one that I kept hearing on this most recent trip (a reassignment from Delta to branded) was that September 1 is not just going to be a bad day for Delta, which makes a little sense given Ontario and LAX are the first stops on the big road show. You can see already that stations and operations within the company are starting to pack it in. Last turn last night, we went through three captains, the last one finally getting deadheaded in by car 90 minutes late. Then my deadhead by car from Ontario-LAX was 90 minutes late (at midnight too). Took 45 minutes to get through to scheduling at 11:30pm to ask for a hotel and they said the driver would be there in 10 more minutes. 10 more minutes was 45 more minutes.
On a different point, I posted this on another place, but when furloughs do occur, is there any verbiage on recalls? Are they completely in the hands of the company? Basically, if they furlough 300 and then in the first month, say 20 from the non furlough group quit with no block hour reduction, is the company obligated to recall 20?
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07-05-2008, 07:49 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Base administrator went to Germany for vacation (or so is the word).
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I talked with Erik while he was waiting for his flight. His story is that he is indeed on vacation. He knew nothing about the CPA being cancelled as the announcement came while both of us were in-flight. He may not yet know as I gathered his phone would be off and nothing short of the imminent end of the world was to interrupt him.
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07-05-2008, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Maria
I talked with Erik while he was waiting for his flight. His story is that he is indeed on vacation. He knew nothing about the CPA being cancelled as the announcement came while both of us were in-flight. He may not yet know as I gathered his phone would be off and nothing short of the imminent end of the world was to interrupt him.
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I talked to him last week, and yep, he was going to Germany for vacation. He's a California boy and has not desire to go back east. So I doubt he would have been able to act like its bau last week with a straight face had he known what was going to be announced.
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There is a term for that.....and it is not whore. Pardon me again for mis articulating this. But as I see it those willing to play it here would be the same people willing to cross a picket line because there sick kid/wife needed the health insurance:twisted:
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07-05-2008, 11:13 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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So did something happen with Delta? I haven't heard anything
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