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Know what you mean. I would assume you have already done so, but if you haven't, go to http://www.aviationinterviews.com/ and read the gouge. This is a VERY good prep for what to expect. Good luck on the 15th...one of my best friends will be in there getting grilled right along with you as well.

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GPanagos

Yeah my friend is at the interview right now, will see how it goes!!!


Thank you

George

flydelt73

If the beech 99 is under 12000 pounds you can't even log SIC...check the FAR's for that. You can only log SIC if it weighs more than 12000 pounds and the FAA requires 2 crewmember to operate the aircraft. The only reason you had a SIC checkride is for insurance reasons for your company. Most insurance companies require 2 crew to operate aircraft. However, you can only log SIC if the FAA requires 2 crew not if the insurace company requires 2...I personally talked with the FAA and aopa and this is what they both told me.

for the interview just add another column labeled 'dual recieved'. thats what I did and they didn't question it at all.

V2+15

Isn't that greather than 12,500??

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lap

Not really. You may log SIC if you are qualified as an SIC and the aircraft requires two pilots or you hold the appropriate catagory and class ratings and more than one pilot is required under type certificate or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.

So if he works for a company who's operations manual requires two pilots in the BE99, then he can log SIC.

V2+15

Lap...don't know if you were referring to my post, but let me clarify. The previous post by flydelt73...(s)he said, if the BE99 "is under 12000 you can't even log SIC". Barring "the insurance letter" scenario, the weight is greater than 12,500 (not 12,000) for requiring a type rating. Type rating and logging SIC are often confused. Just because an aircraft requires a TYPE RATING does not necessarily mean you can log SIC time in it. Take the Super King Air 350 as an example. The aircraft is CERTIFIED FOR SINGLE PILOT OPERATION but DOES require a type rating because it's MGTOW is greater than 12,500 #'s. The key for logging SIC sans "the insurance scenario", which is bogus IMHO, is spelled out in the FAR's. The FAR's state right up front to log Second-In-Command time, the aircraft must be TYPE CERTIFICATED FOR MORE THAN ONE REQUIRED PILOT FLIGHT CREWMEMBER. Refer to 14 CFR Part 61.55.

It's just my own personal pet peeve, but those that pass off SIC time in an aircraft not type certificated for more than one crew member according to the FAR's because of some insurance requirement is wrong. That's just my humble opinion and is in no way meant to flame anyone or how they logged flight time.

All out of talk; getting back to the hockey game!

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flydelt73

yeah its 12,500, my bad.

lap

Let me just say, I havent logged SIC in anything other than in an aircraft that requires two pilots per the type certificate.

With that said, the FARs dont mention anything about insurance in 61.51.

Furthermore 61.51 says, "A person may log second-
in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command
requirements of Sec. 61.55 and occupies a crewmember
station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the
aircraft's type certificate; OR
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if
an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being
flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification
of the aircraft OR the regulations under which the flight is being
conducted."

So you can log SIC if you have the training in 61.55 OR if you are appropriately rated for an aircraft that requires more than one pilot under the type certificate OR the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.

Now the BE99 is neither more than 12,500lbs nor requires a type rating, so therefore the only way you can log SIC in this aircraft is if the regulations under which is being operated requires two pilots.

I gave an example of how an operator of this aircraft can require two pilots by regulation if its operations manual (which is certified by the FAA and which the company is required to abide by) requires two pilots and hence, be able to log SIC in this aircraft.

By the way, there are also two pilot aircraft which you can operate as single pilot like certain models of the BE1900, Citations, or the Metroliner. And yet, if you happen to have a second pilot that meets the requirements of 61.51, they can log SIC in those also.

V2+15

Hey lap,

Yup...good points indeed. I keep forgetting that a Part 135 or 121 Ops Spec supercedes the FAR's. And like yourself, this is the first opportunity I have had to log SIC time. It just gives me the willies when guys say they are walking into an interview and they've been logging SIC time in a King Air 90 or 200 because the company's insurance policy required two pilots. That insurance policy don't mean didley squat to the FAA. I think I heard about one dude logging SIC time in a Baron for jeepers sake! That's just asking to get the early bus home from the interview. If I were interviewing in today's extremely competitive market, I would be very careful about how I logged time IAW FAR 61.51 and 61.55 as you outlined.

Keep it cool!

Oh yeah...Bruins won!!!

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lap

Thanks

Im a UCLA fan also!