Mr Hat

Firstly, I keep reading that people have a problem with Christians saying that they have the "truth". Yet they go on a tirade about how their is no god. How come its bad for a christian or anyother person of faith to claim that they have the truth but an athiest can claim that the truth is that there is no god but somehow that's okay. Both are making truth claims, only one can be right.

Secondly, People on here are calling christians bigoted (essentially) yet this whole thread is one big christian bash. You are bashing one religion....no different that coming on here and saying that all black people are in prison or jews are are cheap. If you claim you want tolerance in society, act like it. Talk about hypocrisy! My God, just change the identity of the group and re-read this thread, make it about Muslims and you would think this was a KKK message board.

Now I'll make a truth claim, all left wing athiests do not want tolerance. They want rules that follow their self important point of view. Its called communism people.

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Aviator27J

I stare at those 3D images but never see anything. They don't work for everyone. Anyway, that has nothing to do with it.

If you asked me to prove that I loved my son I'd show you that I'd give my life for him and I (as all parents do) already sacrifice many things in life to better his, even though I regret none of it and it's barely considered a "sacrifice" because of it.

I have nothing against those who practice their faith and even preach it openly as long as it's not forcefully in any way. (You know, the ones who yell stuff about going to hell if you're not a Christian and all that.) I don't get offended when my parents request I go to church with them or ask about praying on my own because that's just them being interested in my life and hoping I'll follow the same religion as them. There are many parts of the bible I can't swallow and others I find intriguing (Noah's Ark, the Holy Grail, Jesus in general for example) and while I do not know it like many do, I feel I know it pretty well in a general sense.

Some people get angry when Christians profess things about God and some Christians get just as angry when others deny His existence. It's just that sometimes it's a bigger issue than it should be when it comes to other people. Like it was said before, it's not much different being angry about another person's choice in vanilla ice cream when you prefer chocolate. No offense intended.

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coolyokeluke

When I saw the title of this thread I thought for sure it was in regards to being SJ6 on my commuting status.

I'm not one for censorship, but this is the kind of thread material that turned flight info such a nasty website. I'd hate to see the crackpipe stoop to that level of bitterness, disrespect and rancor.

JungleJetCLE

I don't get angry when someone disagrees with me; however, when the tone from the get-go is "You're wrong, prove me wrong.", then that begs of someone needing to put on the tolerance hat.

I believe what I believe, but I don't go picketing in front of places of worship for other religions nor do I monopolize every conversation with why everyone unlike me is going to burn.

But the athiests have to learn that they don't have the monopoly on religious preference, either.

Our Constitution does not guarantee a religion-sterile view everywhere you go. Our "Creator" is mentioned specifically in our Declaration of Independance as the source of all of our rights. Nobody 150 years ago would care about God being mentioned in our courts, on our currency, or a prayer said in government locations (Congress even opens with one).

What's guaranteed to you is that the government shall enact no law that ESTABLISHES religion (ie: which religion is the "true religion").

Athiests and the like have adopted an in-your-face attitude where they try to force their NON-religion on everyone else.

Has the author of this thread pursued his belief as a legitimate quest with the experts? Or was this more of an arrogant jab and people he does not agree with and seems intolerant of?

j3tDr1v3r

Actually, this sentence could apply the other way around also. It's all personal belief. I have not bashed the opposite viewpoint yet, mearly joind a discussion about viewpoints on the subject. This is, always has been, and probably will be one of the most debated topics. It's all about ones demeanor to me... can you discuss this openly (not just talking about you Hat), look at all viewpoints, and maitain a calm discussion? Or, do you get fired up, pi$$ed off, and start flailing your arms around in disgust of the others view. Unfortunately, with this topic, I think most people believe so passionately one way or the other, it's hard to just "debate" without hurting the others. This is probably why it falls in with politics and money on things best not discussed... unless you on an anonymous crackpipe... :lol: :lol: j/k


Why is it always assumed that those that don't believe are far left wing? I actually consider myself right of center, except when it comes to religion...

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mckpickle

No Pete, it's that we're tired of people making rules and laws and telling us that we need to act in a certain way because a book we don't believe in says so.

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Mr Hat

Actually, I was pointing out those far leftists that don't believe because they are the ones who get all bent out of shape and threatened anytime someone mentiones a deity. There are plenty of people who are atheists that don't get upset by other peoples beliefs.

I am fully aware that the first sentence you quoted could be turned around because it normally IS turned around. That was my point. One of the complaints about Christians is that they are arrogant because they claim to know the truth. Yet anyone who claims that they are an atheist claims that they know that there is no god and therefore are making a truth claim. If you take the Christian philosophy away, most atheists are just as guilty of the crimes that they lable Christians with. Bigotry, closed minded, makes truth claims, anyone who doesn't agree is stupid....on and on. Same sh*t. I was simply callin em out on it.

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Aviator27J

I like how Bush pretends he's religious and acts proper in the eyes of God. That's a nice front, maybe even better than pretending to be an American enjoying a ranch in TX, but I don't buy it and I think most people see that he's not exactly a "model Christian." Then again I thought everyone learned their lesson after his first term and here he still is...

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JungleJetCLE

Like Clinton prancing around with a jumbo sized Bible during his impeachment, walking hand-in-hand with Hillary, who was supposed to be so shocked and unable to breath, gulping for air, etc, etc, etc?

j3tDr1v3r

Gotcha! 8)

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