There is no god. - Page 3

Stephan Dupourque · 10-14-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by C130Loadm

Every morning when I get up, I peak into my daughters room as she is just starting to wake up. Her little eyes wonder around her crib and then find mine peering through the crack in the door. She smiles.....and I know God exist.

I have kids and share the same enjoyment except when it's 2 in the morning. :shock: But what about the other end of the spectrum? If your argument is that since there is such good, there must be a God, what about the guy that sees extreme bad such as those that live in Baghdad? Wouldn't they come to the conclusion that God doesn't exist?

10-14-2006, 09:35 AM

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mckpickle · 10-14-2006, 09:43 AM

First, my belief. I'm not sure if God is real or not. I believe in SOME sort or higher power. Maybe little green men that put us here that are billions of years more advanced than us. But what I certainly don't believe in is organized religion.

Since the dawn of time on this little planet more people have been killed in the name of "god" than any other reason.

Frankly the thread seems to have been started to kick over a shiit pile. And by Rick's reaction we can see it worked. And thats what bothers me about "Chistians, Muslums", or whaterver. You have no tolerance for those that don't believe in your little hocus pocus 2000 year old carpenter story. I tolerate and accept that you want to believe in it. Heck, I fully support your RIGHT to do so. I wish Christians would do the same for people who choose not to believe. But for some reason those of us who don't believe in a book written by some of the most corrupt men in history who's only goal was controling the masses, are judged by you. I just would like to know, what gives you the right?

10-14-2006, 09:45 AM

Its very sad that this has to be a topic of conversation. I challenge any one of you to read the entire word of God with an open mind, and then tell me you don't believe.. Stop taking the time not to believe and start taking the time to understand why you should believe.

Thanks Rick for that Post.

Fitz

Ximon · 10-14-2006, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SHVPilot

I'm not saying that it can't be proven scientifically. I know why it all is what it is. What I'm saying is, in order to believe those numbers it takes faith in what science is saying. Let's say, for instance, you are somebody that knows nothing about chemistry. All of that would not mean anything... "If you can show me blue sky in a bottle" or "make air visible".. Then, they might understand..

It has nothing to do with faith. It's called intelligence. Discovery. Science. Mathmatics. That's the diference between us and those who lived 2000 years ago. We know a little something about chemestry, and other sciences. We believe the world is round, because it is! We know that the earth orbits the sun, not the other way around, because it does! We've come a long way. We understand that our aircraft fly through the air due to scientific principals developed/discovered by Newton, Bernoulli, and a bunch of other enlightened humans. Not "magic".

Your argument is flat. But that doesn't mean you're wrong. Try again.

Mitch · 10-14-2006, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SHVPilot

... or "make air visible".. Then, they might understand..

Go to Houston on a hot windless summer day....glad I could help :lol:

And the sky being blue is not chemistry, unless refraction of light is considered chemistry.

C130Loadm · 10-14-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mckpickle

First, my belief. I'm not sure if God is real or not. I believe in SOME sort or higher power. Maybe little green men that put us here that are billions of years more advanced than us. But what I certainly don't believe in is organized religion.

Since the dawn of time on this little planet more people have been killed in the name of "god" than any other reason.

Frankly the thread seems to have been started to kick over a shiit pile. And by Rick's reaction we can see it worked. And thats what bothers me about "Chistians, Muslums", or whaterver. You have no tolerance for those that don't believe in your little hocus pocus 2000 year old carpenter story. I tolerate and accept that you want to believe in it. Heck, I fully support your RIGHT to do so. I wish Christians would do the same for people who choose not to believe. But for some reason those of us who don't believe in a book written by some of the most corrupt men in history who's only goal was controling the masses, are judged by you. I just would like to know, what gives you the right?

Who has judged you? You are free to choose what you want to believe and I will respect that.

You ATTACK those of religion when you can yet you condemn those that you think attack you for your lack of belief?

Look back at what you wrote and tell me that is not an attack on people of faith. Blame it on your "Irish" heritage or whatever copout you are using this week. You demand those of fatih not to judge you but YOU CONSTANTLY judge them? You are a hypocrit of the worst kind. It shows up in almost everything you post on this site. Honestly, I think you have some serious issues...and it goes beyond this thread. You have some anger issues that you need to work out....but I am sure you will blame it on someone or something else like you always do. Your post is filled with evidence of your lack of coherent thought, ignorance and contradictive nature.

By the way..it is Muslim....not Muslum......

You cannot lump Christians and Muslim together when it comes to religious history. Before you make statements like that, do a little research.

You also forgot to slam the Jews.

What higher power do you think exist?

Complete ignorance must be bliss......

Mr Hat · 10-14-2006, 10:12 AM

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Frankly the thread seems to have been started to kick over a shiit pile. And by Rick's reaction we can see it worked. And thats what bothers me about "Chistians, Muslums", or whaterver

Conversely, Athiests tend to get really PO'd whenever someone of faith mentions God (particularly Christians). So how does one explain that? To get angry over God without believing in Him? I guess one could say that it's not God who causes all the violence but human nature. Yes religion has caused some violence over the years but so have many different things. Just because human interpretation of their religion has caused controversey does not make a case that God doesn't exist. You cannot base a worldview on the abuses of its followers, it must be based on the founder of that particular worldview.

Nova · 10-14-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitch

And the sky being blue is not chemistry, unless refraction of light is considered chemistry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectroscopy

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Spectroscopy is often used in physical and analytical chemistry for the identification of substances through the spectrum emitted from them or absorbed in them. A device for recording a spectrum is a spectrometer. Spectroscopy can be classified according to the physical quantity which is measured or calculated or the measurement process.

On topic though, I had a captain pull out a Bible in flight in order to "school" me on why I was wrong. I have yet to encounter a non-Christian who felt it necessarily to take time to point out the error in my ways. Oddly, the captain didn't even fully know where I stood on faith, he only knew that my belief was different than his.

Considering Faith is a rather personal matter/belief I find it ironic that some feel it's their duty to involve themselves in someone else's personal beliefs. It's no different than having a preference for chocolate vs. vanilla ice cream but get a scornful eye/comment from others who believe differently. Faith, no matter what you believe, addresses how you see the world. Unless you can step inside the eyes of others you have no ability to chose, judge or even comment in my opinion on the path that someone has chosen.

Ones faith empowers the individual, not the faith of others. Of course others have tried the faith en mass but that ended in a Blue Kool Aid love fest.

Stephan Dupourque · 10-14-2006, 10:25 AM

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