Originally Posted by Call Me Stupid

And I think that if it could be....it would have been many many years ago. This is not something new. These are the same rules that our grandparents operated under. ALPA's guide is based on legal decisions, not just what does the rule say. When the guide says it doesn't count, that means at some point in time it was challenged and the ruling stands. We just need to know and follow the rules as listed in the guide until such point in time that they are changed.