Matthew Kupetz

This is exactly what may happen. Guys, just because THEY ink a deal (IF its true) doesn't mean they've caved..... all it means is that we'll hear "give in" from BOTH sets of management.

The one difference in this than AA-TWA is that the whole pissing match started with CAL. They friggin WROTE our CPA themselves, now they don't like it. Dummies.... its THEIR OWN FAULT. Anyways, sure, we have branded that is burning money, but its CAL that forced our hand.

I would think we could have a reasonable case in front of a judge this was a "set up job" from CAL since the IPO. They got their dough and convinced these people to buy at $16.... an now they beg the same people to sell at $3.50 because THEY want to go elsewhere?

THE BOTTOM LINE IS, we don't have other lines of business (ie 70-90 seaters) to subsidize RIDICULOUSLY LOW 50 SEAT CPA's bids, like CHQ and SKYW.... who partially at falult again...... CAL. We are a contract airline.... TWA was not. And the best part is CAL STILL WANTS THE CONTRACT......JEEZ. CAL changed their mind on the CPA THEY wrote before the CPA expired ....... how do they explain that?

Either way, if they throw BK in their, I'm not so sure that wouldn't screw them WAAAAAY more than us, so we ight have to play chicken.

Guardguy

I keep hearing all these people saying "Fck the Sywest deal, ride it nto the ground" but really, is that the plan. All I can say is the Jims have been looking for a better solution for two years with little results, why continue to support these guys, I am open to listening to reasonable ideas. As for Skywest, I have talked to three union reps and gotten three different stories on where everything is, so sounds liek even those guys are all over the place? If we stand alone we have about 12 months or so to find flying before we are out of cash, and in todays market with out credit, if you are out of cash you are shutting down? Open to ideas!

lovetofly

Now I could be wrong but was there not a blast mail yesterday or the day before saying that two more days of meetings are taking place today and on the 15th?? Not sure if that points one direction or the other, but it said that they (MEC) would get word to us ASAP.

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Turtlesfly

XJT will be around for more than 12 months, thank you very much

Jetlink1175

And why wouldn't you? Look at what they've proposed and try to give me one sane reason to vote yes. You're hatred for our management is your right, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion.

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surfrider

what can you do with $125 oil, at least they were smart enough to hedge. What is your alligance to SKYW anyway, Just want to try it out I guess and see how it goes?

WHy support the Jims because you Sir and everyone else still have a job and they have been looking out for us or would you rather them have caved to 2x chinned larry and the bunch who want something for nothing. Did you think we'd be instantly profitable? you should support them because they supported us, being a "Guardguy" you should know something about loyalty and support even in the bleakest moment.

goxc

Yeah I don't know how Guardguy can piss on the Jims, if we had given the 69 planes to CHQ he would've been on the street with his seniority.

dkul

Actually already out here...started in May.

glennhill

Yes, that's exactly what I have been thinking about. Our own management aggreed to pay us by the main passenger door. Did they. That is agrguable. They didn't follow thru on their word. We ended up in arbitration, and didn't get exactly what we had agreed on in the contract. All is not exactly as it seems, even when we have it in writing. I wouldn't be supprised at all if Skywest buys us, ignores the scope, and takes their chances in court, if it gets that far.

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dkul

I don't know when you got hired..but the real truth about the MCD was not that the company didn't want to pay us by the contract...it was that they didn't realize that the computer system was to complex to set up to resolve the issue.....so they offered various (i.e. LOA 6, 6.1 and 6.2) to resolve it in another manner. But since soooo many pilots decided to stick to their guns....you now get 23min extra pay instead of 30.
Moral of the story....be careful what you ask for.
And SKYW would be taking a huge chance by trying to outright ignore the CBA.