XJT + SKYW a done deal!!!! - Page 4

Turtlesfly · 05-14-2008, 11:55 AM

... and an ending place, probably

luftwolf · 05-14-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dkul

Me too!! (oh sorry....that is actually true)

See you at the training center which on the right side of the C-47 on July (I believe that is your class date too)

Xjetstaff · 05-14-2008, 01:53 PM

Lets get this straight, SkyWest DOES NOT need the pilots approval to buy XJT.

They can buy the company and like someone else said put the XJT seniority list wherever they want to and if XJTALPA doesn't like it they will go to arbitration.

I think that this is a good possibility if SkyWest really wants to get their hands on XJT. If you look at past situations that ended up like this it seems to always work out in favor of the purchasing airline. (USAir/AmWest-TWA/AA) SkyWest shouldn't have much of a problem proving that XJT would have been out of business if they didn't come in and save the company thus all the pilots would have been on the bottom of the list or without jobs anyway.

To me it looks like the best option would be to agree to the SkyWest terms and let the sale go through. From what I can see either way the same number of new pilots will go.
Lets say XJT magically is able to stay in business as an independent company, to make this happen branded will still have to go and with it the pilots. This is the same amount of pilots gone if you agree to the SkyWest deal. BUT now you will also loose more pilots when CO pulls the next 51 and the rest will loose their jobs when CO is done using XJT in 2012 (2012 right??)

Now if the SkyWest deal goes through of course the most Jr pilots are gone but that would have happened anyways. The pilots that are left know that for the next 10yrs they will have a 205 plane CPA with CO.

Sounds like an easy choice to me!

surfrider · 05-14-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by boyracer

ha ha how is it a done deal when it has to be voted on by the pilot group?

I assure you in the meeting the MEC had with Jerry Atkins the MEC informed him that his proposal would never pass a vote by our pilot group. This came from a Union Rep I spoke with yesterday. Skywest will not make another counter offer for our company knowing that what they want will never happen. We are now going to continue with the plans set fourth by our management. This I'm sure will be confirmed with a blast mail either later today or at the conclusion of tomorrows meeting! Don't believe all this bull$hit you read on the pipe. If you have questions you should call your Union Rep. Thats what they are here for. So people don't get misguided information or just peoples opinions but the FACTS!

Cheers!

Hip HIp horray all those who wanted to get bent over by SKYW can now thank those with rational thoughts who saved them. I'd much rather be left to our own devices than wither away as the 3rd wife to a mormon king

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Stan Marsh · 05-14-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Xjetstaff

To me it looks like the best option would be to agree to the SkyWest terms and let the sale go through. From what I can see either way the same number of new pilots will go.
Lets say XJT magically is able to stay in business as an independent company, to make this happen branded will still have to go and with it the pilots. This is the same amount of pilots gone if you agree to the SkyWest deal. BUT now you will also loose more pilots when CO pulls the next 51 and the rest will loose their jobs when CO is done using XJT in 2012 (2012 right??)

Now if the SkyWest deal goes through of course the most Jr pilots are gone but that would have happened anyways. The pilots that are left know that for the next 10yrs they will have a 205 plane CPA with CO.

Sounds like an easy choice to me!

Except, CAL can look at the CPA every year and go else where. That isn't a 10-year deal!

They can also take 5 aircraft from us a MONTH without the pilots! We would be gone in 4 years!

Harry · 05-14-2008, 02:01 PM

XJETSTAFF..

10 year CPA with CAL that can be 'reviewed' every 12 months. Flying can be shifted to the non-union boys at anytime. Whip saw to death...

ExpressJet can remain on it's own. Not saying it's the best option. Close branded IF summer goes bad. Furlough what's needed. CAL wants to dump 51 planes? Fine. We can fly them for someone else or continue to grow charter. At least we'll control our own future.

I don't have a problem with SKW buying us. Just don't like the separate operations without a 'merged' list. How about keep us separate but provide an agreed upon SKW seniority to each and every XJT pilot. We can stay doing our own flying and be 'protected' if they downsize us.

surfrider · 05-14-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Xjetstaff

Lets get this straight, SkyWest DOES NOT need the pilots approval to buy XJT.

They can buy the company and like someone else said put the XJT seniority list wherever they want to and if XJTALPA doesn't like it they will go to arbitration.

I think that this is a good possibility if SkyWest really wants to get their hands on XJT. If you look at past situations that ended up like this it seems to always work out in favor of the purchasing airline. (USAir/AmWest-TWA/AA) SkyWest shouldn't have much of a problem proving that XJT would have been out of business if they didn't come in and save the company thus all the pilots would have been on the bottom of the list or without jobs anyway.

To me it looks like the best option would be to agree to the SkyWest terms and let the sale go through. From what I can see either way the same number of new pilots will go.
Lets say XJT magically is able to stay in business as an independent company, to make this happen branded will still have to go and with it the pilots. This is the same amount of pilots gone if you agree to the SkyWest deal. BUT now you will also loose more pilots when CO pulls the next 51 and the rest will loose their jobs when CO is done using XJT in 2012 (2012 right??)

Now if the SkyWest deal goes through of course the most Jr pilots are gone but that would have happened anyways. The pilots that are left know that for the next 10yrs they will have a 205 plane CPA with CO.

Sounds like an easy choice to me!

XjetStaff
Your crystal ball is 2% right at best, Please sell your share of stock so you can stop wasting our time with your financial wet dreams. Your opinion means nothing when you don't work here and have no clue about our knee jerk reaction industry.

Chris92 · 05-14-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry

XJETSTAFF..

10 year CPA with CAL that can be 'reviewed' every 12 months. Flying can be shifted to the non-union boys at anytime. Whip saw to death...

ExpressJet can remain on it's own. Not saying it's the best option. Close branded IF summer goes bad. Furlough what's needed. CAL wants to dump 51 planes? Fine. We can fly them for someone else or continue to grow charter. At least we'll control our own future.

I don't have a problem with SKW buying us. Just don't like the separate operations without a 'merged' list. How about keep us separate but provide an agreed upon SKW seniority to each and every XJT pilot. We can stay doing our own flying and be 'protected' if they downsize us.

exactly .

PSUPilot · 05-14-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Xjetstaff

Lets get this straight, SkyWest DOES NOT need the pilots approval to buy XJT.

They can buy the company and like someone else said put the XJT seniority list wherever they want to and if XJTALPA doesn't like it they will go to arbitration.

I think that this is a good possibility if SkyWest really wants to get their hands on XJT. If you look at past situations that ended up like this it seems to always work out in favor of the purchasing airline. (USAir/AmWest-TWA/AA) SkyWest shouldn't have much of a problem proving that XJT would have been out of business if they didn't come in and save the company thus all the pilots would have been on the bottom of the list or without jobs anyway.

To me it looks like the best option would be to agree to the SkyWest terms and let the sale go through. From what I can see either way the same number of new pilots will go.
Lets say XJT magically is able to stay in business as an independent company, to make this happen branded will still have to go and with it the pilots. This is the same amount of pilots gone if you agree to the SkyWest deal. BUT now you will also loose more pilots when CO pulls the next 51 and the rest will loose their jobs when CO is done using XJT in 2012 (2012 right??)

Now if the SkyWest deal goes through of course the most Jr pilots are gone but that would have happened anyways. The pilots that are left know that for the next 10yrs they will have a 205 plane CPA with CO.

Sounds like an easy choice to me!

Yeah, an easy choice for you. Let's make a few things clear: 1)An easy choice for you, because you DON'T WORK HERE! 2)An easy choice for you, because you are not a pilot!

I'm curious as to why you constantly come on here and spew your knowledge of various things, when in actuality, you were probably nothing more than a paper pusher while at this company. Believe it or not, we (the pilots here) are actually a fairly intelligent bunch who can reason for ourselves. We were able to make it here without your infinite knowledge, and I can assure you we will continue to do so!

While I am fairly safe in terms of not getting furloughed because of this deal (at least initially), this deal flat out sucks for us. Those are our airplanes...there is absolutely no reason we should, under present conditions, give up any of our scope to allow SkyWest scumbags to fly our airplanes. I'll wait to allow the union time to consider everything, but I can tell you I am a NO vote. Our planes=our pilots. They want that flying? Let them find their own d@mn airplanes. Ask Kitty how easy it was for them to find planes!

UFOGUY · 05-14-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry

XJETSTAFF..

10 year CPA with CAL that can be 'reviewed' every 12 months. Flying can be shifted to the non-union boys at anytime. Whip saw to death...

ExpressJet can remain on it's own. Not saying it's the best option. Close branded IF summer goes bad. Furlough what's needed. CAL wants to dump 51 planes? Fine. We can fly them for someone else or continue to grow charter. At least we'll control our own future.

Maybe this should be the new ExpressJet? It would be one heck of a charter operation!

Hopes and dreams, hopes and dreams