Skywest and EMB170 - Page 2

Cowboy11 · 05-09-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by seattle slew

The pilot you talked to must be rich!

I dunno, but he was tootin' their horn pretty loud. I have no doubt that they are a good company, but I like my company as well. I just hope we can weather the storm, and the light at the end of the tunnel is not a "TRAIN"

Turtlesfly · 05-09-2008, 12:19 PM

"And it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of the tunnel . . . is just a freight train coming your way!"

-Metallica

weasil · 05-09-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying J

Heh, had a SkyWest pilot in the jumpseat the other day and they get a $1 override for flying the 70 seater vs. 50 seater. WTF??!!!

First off that's not true. The current pay scale was a 1% raise on all 50 seat scales and a 5% override for the 700/900 pay scale. For example 3rd yr captain I make 61.59/hr on the 50 seater and just under $65/hr on the 700. (Or when trying to break guarantee on reserve you get an extra 5% of the block time added on to each leg). The 50 seat scale actually catches up to and overtakes what you guys make on a 50 seater as you gain longevity.
Second - don't read too much into that 170 pay scale. The old payscale had rates for any sized jet over about 70 seats - which basically meant if they bought 757's we'd be flying them for what we make now - the way they got rid of that was to agree to the current rates which only go up to the EMB170 airframe.

Whydoitry · 05-09-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by weasil

The 50 seat scale actually catches up to and overtakes what you guys make on a 50 seater as you gain longevity.

Not to get into a rate argument but looking at your rates on APC, you guys get paid the same or less on the CR7/9 as we do on the E145 until about year 11, and that goes to year 15 after we get our increase 12/1/08. That also includes your wopping 1% increase at the beginning of the new year. Your CR2 rates are only higher this year after year 18(our max) and as of 12/1 not until year 20.

We all know there is more to a contract than just the rates, but that is a good place to start. And I won't go into the difference between an actual contract and a management imposed agreement.

useless · 05-09-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by weasil

First off that's not true. The current pay scale was a 1% raise on all 50 seat scales and a 5% override for the 700/900 pay scale. For example 3rd yr captain I make 61.59/hr on the 50 seater and just under $65/hr on the 700. (Or when trying to break guarantee on reserve you get an extra 5% of the block time added on to each leg). The 50 seat scale actually catches up to and overtakes what you guys make on a 50 seater as you gain longevity.
Second - don't read too much into that 170 pay scale. The old payscale had rates for any sized jet over about 70 seats - which basically meant if they bought 757's we'd be flying them for what we make now - the way they got rid of that was to agree to the current rates which only go up to the EMB170 airframe.

not exactly... you have a twenty year scale. ours is an 18 year scale and tops at 97. your year 18 is 97 per hour. at xjt i'm year 11 at 82/hr at skywest i would be 79(50seats) or 83(70) seats. some of our work rules allow quite a bit of soft time accrual. I'm not sure what skywest's rules allow but I'm sure it part of the reason Continental thinks we should take a dive. bottom line, i think our pay is a little better for what we are doing.

mack82 · 05-09-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by weasil

First off that's not true. The current pay scale was a 1% raise on all 50 seat scales and a 5% override for the 700/900 pay scale. For example 3rd yr captain I make 61.59/hr on the 50 seater and just under $65/hr on the 700. (Or when trying to break guarantee on reserve you get an extra 5% of the block time added on to each leg). The 50 seat scale actually catches up to and overtakes what you guys make on a 50 seater as you gain longevity.
Second - don't read too much into that 170 pay scale. The old payscale had rates for any sized jet over about 70 seats - which basically meant if they bought 757's we'd be flying them for what we make now - the way they got rid of that was to agree to the current rates which only go up to the EMB170 airframe.

5% for 40% more seats speaks for itself.

Whydoitry · 05-09-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mack82

5% for 40% more seats speaks for itself.

Yea they get 5% to fly 40% more seats but it is still less than or about equal to us.

boyracer · 05-09-2008, 07:34 PM

well I compared our rates today on the willflyforfood website and after year 4 it was almost always a 7 or $8 an hour difference in favor of Expressjet getting paid more on the 50 seat.

Whydoitry · 05-09-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by boyracer

well I compared our rates today on the willflyforfood website and after year 4 it was almost always a 7 or $8 an hour difference in favor of Expressjet getting paid more on the 50 seat.

Right look at their 70 seat rates they equal our 50 seat rates, then look at our yearly increases and theirs. They only have 1% yearly increases I think ours is 3%, so our rates on 50seats out paces and exceeds theirs for 70. These guys drive me nuts.

sweptwing · 05-09-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Texan Aviator

OMG please no........ Hopefully Southwest pilots would be smarter than letting that happen.

HOPEFULLY SWA WILL BE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO LET ANY REGIONAL FEEDER DO ANY FLYING FOR THEM... ANY!