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preludespeeder · 06-26-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GasPasser

Asking a question about my beliefs doesn't insult my intelligence. Your sarcasm does.

The crux of your argument is a valid question to ask. But to respond to my post, one that was political in nature and not challenging ANY science, is simply you being an @ss and has nothing to do with this discussion. You just want to lump us all together as people who believe in either science OR religion. The two are compatible. You can study science without challenging your beliefs. I developed a belief in a creator on my own. My father is an Agnostic Ivy-League grad, we never went to church growing up.

You say that belief in a creator opens up too many questions. As a young atheist, I found the Big Bang to be an incomplete answer. It only answers were we came from recently. Matter existed before the Bang, where did it come from? The eternal expansion and contraction of the Universe failed to give me an "origin." To me, it takes us much faith to believe the Universe "always was" and has no definite origin. It may be enough for you, hell its enough for a lot of intelligent people; but to veil your beliefs in Narcissism doesn't make you look any more intelligent.

This thread is about the Constitutional argument of merely discussing intelligent design, which is the only subject I discussed. It had actually become a thoughtful discussion on both sides without name calling (Quite a diversion for the "Pipe"). Instead of hijacking this thread, revive the "there is no God" thread.

Maybe you missed the point of my post. You are trying to tell me that an unfounded fairy tale is to be taught to my kids in school because you had some revelation that it is the right idea. I do not think so, it is very straight forward in our government, our kids are to be taught sound ideas that are relative and with factual evidence to be correct. Since religion has neither of these then it should not be taught in schools. If you want your kids to have this belief then send them to a private school that teaches this kind of faith. Science class is to teach students about real science and its methods.

You want our kids to debate what about religion and science. The debate is short and lost for religion. Here is a scenario. Teacher tells the class we have two ways to explain where we came from. The first one is evolution which has a lot evidence and research to explain its reasons. The beginning of this theory starts with a sudden expansion of the universe that is on going today. Students ask questions about the expansion theory, teacher will respond with science is trying to answer the questions today with research. Next up is creationism/ID. This idea says that some supreme being created all of us and that is why we are here. Students first question is either going to be were is the evidence or were did this being come from. Do you see my point, you can not teach something that does have a debatable stance or tells the young mind to blindly believe a story.

This is where my post comes into relevance. You want to debate about creationism and religion being in school and I am asking you how you are going to answer the questions that need to be answered for it to qualify as a relative and evidence based subject. Can you answer those questions or are you going to keep attacking me because you can not answer these questions. This argument needs to have a reason not just some back forth about something very clear in the constitution, separation of church and state, schools are part of the state. That is very black and white.