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Old 05-11-2008, 11:31 AM   #1292 (permalink)
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I do think that faith is belief without proof.

BrianS, you compare you posting here to the existence of god, in terms of evidence. then you say that your post here is written evidence that you posted here, and the bible is written evidence of god's existence... I don't think I even need to explain how flawed that is.

Scientist often base some of their information in forming theories on the work of other scientist. they cite the original author's work as a source, taking the risk that if the source's theory is disproved by new evidence, their new thoery will also be disproved since it's based on it. The only evidence for god's existence is the bible, which cites god as a source... can you see how this is an infinite loop? who came first, the chicken, or the egg? god exists because the bible says so, and the bible was written by god? what if I wrote a book that says the all knowing all powerful spaghetti monster exists, and claim it was dictated by the spaghetti monster? do I then have written proof? is there such a thing as written proof?

my argument in the previous page is not flawed, or at least not as flawed as the chicken-and-egg logic of the bible being both the word of god, and proof of god's existence. if you are using our (modern western civilization) system of logic (and obviously you are) then you always assume you DON'T know something, until you can learn it. innocent until proven guilty. no theories without evidence. for me to say that we cannot know anything, is indeed a theory and can be disproven if you find something that we can JUST know for sure without the need for the scientific process of hypothesis-evidence-theory. I don't think you can find such an example, give it a try. remember, it has to be something that doesn't have any evidence, and is OBVIOUSLY TRUE. if you there is such a thing and I'm not aware of it, then either I'm mentally challenged, or it doesn't meet the requirement of being OBVIOUS. if it's not obvious, it requires evidence... see the loop?

every rule has an exception, including the rule that says that every rule has an exception... the exception to this rule, is the rule itself.
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