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Originally Posted by Skiy
Your lengthy responses is exactly the problem I have with those that lean atheist and have no problem trying to implement it in public policy.
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Sorry about the lengthy responses... but, when I can, I'm just trying to show the logic behind my thought processes (which is lacking in many of the responses on this thread), and many of these topics aren't that simple as to just reply in a sentence or two. So I try to define terms I'm using so that there isn't too much semantic misunderstanding, and I try to show how one concept leads to another or how it may disconnect from another. I may not always convey exactly what's running through my mind, but I try. It's hard to keep it short and still make it be logically apparent.
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Originally Posted by Skiy
Your attempt at replacing atheism with Christianity just did not mesh well at. Though you do say you don't wish to completely remove it at the end, there are many that would.
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True, some would. And that's sad (as is the fact that there are those that want to remove atheism and force everyone to be religious). It would be a great cultural and historical loss for the world if Christianity was completely removed. I'm just talking about removal from public policy in the U.S. Our founding fathers (smartly) set up this country to not have a national religion, based on the religious persecution that their immediate ancestors dealt with that caused them to flee Great Britain in the first place. There is still no need for one today...
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Originally Posted by Skiy
Yes, the majority of our culture is Christian leaning and not by a slim margin like your illogical 51-49 odd women to men split argument, but greater than 80%.
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First, how is my argument illogical? Just because the majority of women over men isn't as large as the majority of Christians over atheists, doesn't mean that it isn't a majority (or illogical). I purposefully used that example
because of the slim margin, just to show how silly the argument of "well, if a majority is X, than not only must X be true, but we must all also be forced to be X" is.
Secondly, you think that 80% is a large enough margin to make this argument logical, but 51% isn't... what would be your cut off point? Is 75% enough? How about 59%? Not that it matters, but I was just wondering...
I'll use a different example, and see if you find it any more logical... the data I use come from the 2000 U.S. census and the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey. The majority of citizens in our nation are Caucasian (75.1%; a closer percentage to that of Christians, 79.8%), and a minority are African-American (12.3%; closer to that of the Atheist/Agnostic/No Religion answer in the survey, 15%... which incidentally, was up from the 8.4% response in the 1990 survey, when Christian was reported 88.3% of the time... WATCH OUT, WE'RE MULTIPLYING!!!
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Anyway, based on these percentages that are more logical to you, should we legislate that whites control the country, and that blacks must be forced to have whites' beliefs and values pushed on them? And that all other minorities also must be subjugated to the laws that stem from the whites' beliefs, because they are in the majority? This is essentially what it sounds like you are saying we should do religiously in this country, because Christianity is the majority religion. If that is not what you mean by your above statements, then please explain further what you meant by "We are a Christian nation, get over it. In a democracy, majority rules." Thanks.