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Old 04-08-2008, 06:34 PM   #1024 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Stan Marsh View Post
No, nobody wants to be ruled by a minority Atheist religion. Get over yourself.
Lots of things wrong here. First that is not what he is saying. He said non-Christians, which includes every religion other the sun in the US. In the US the minority is protect from the Majority. As long as the 1st amendment stands, and the Government doesn't make Christianity the official Religion nobody will be ruled by the Christian majority. When the Christian majority ruled whole countries it was known as the Dark Ages and from I understand was some good times.

Also Atheism is not a religion. This is one of the most tired ploys in the book.
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Originally Posted by Flyin145s View Post
What gets me on the flip side of some of this is the notion that the entire universe exists as a great, cosmic mistake...a big accident.

From the size of our planet to it's perfect positioning, with orbiting moon to provide it's gravitational influence, down to the tiniest microbe, it's all just a big, random happenstance.

Even science will tell you that we can't get life from where no life existed, yet we're to believe that exactly that happened strickly by accident.

I don't know what the odds of all that are, but I once heard it described as setting a nuclear bomb off and getting part of the debris to suddenly form a fully functioning 747.

If our planet were larger or smaller, or further or closer to the sun, we wouldn't be here.

Another complexity I read about (and just cut-and-pasted) was taking the example of the E. coli bacteria.

The bacterial flagellum is what propels E. coli bacteria through its microscopic world. It consists of about 40 individual protein parts including a stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, and propeller. It's a microscopic outboard motor! The individual parts come into focus when magnified 50,000 times (using electron micrographs). And even though these microscopic outboard motors run at an incredible 100,000 rpm, they can stop on a microscopic dime. It takes only a quarter turn for them to stop, shift directions and start spinning 100,000 rpm in the opposite direction! The flagellar motor has two gears (forward and reverse), is water-cooled, and is hardwired into a signal transduction (sensory mechanism) so that it receives feedback from its environment.

But all this was, again, just a big mistake. A random act that could have never happened, in which case, this entire universe (our own galaxy taking 100,000 years to cross if travelling at the speed of light) would be existing right now without any life in it anywhere. A never-ending chasam of emptiness, existing unaware, unappreciated by anyone or anything, because noBODY exists to know about it.

But here we are talking about it. Contemplating it. Not just "life" like bacteria or a plant somewhere, but as individual, cognative and reasoning beings...all by accident.

Ooops!
Teleological argument....never heard that before.
Teleological argument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I guess a mythical sky man is the more rational answer.
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