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Old 04-08-2008, 06:12 PM   #1021 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Fats Schindee View Post
So because the majority of the country practices Christianity, we non-Christians should have to deal with Christian dogma being legislated into law and affecting our lives? Interesting logic. The majority of this country is also female (51%), so I guess you should cut off your penis and testicles and "get over it"! Unless you are already a woman, in which case, "you rule"!





So just as long as there is a fantastical, non-realistic (and by this I don't mean "non-plausible" [as "realistic" is commonly equated with "plausible"] - as I'm sure an afterlife is plausible to many - but I mean that it has no basis in reality) element to funeral, it would be comforting to you? Say that Jack dies, and at his funeral someone just says "Jack was a bastard, and now he will rot in Hell with Satan for eternity"... that would be just as comforting? It does involve a theist view with a "higher spirit". Can't a funeral where loved ones show up and celebrate the life (reality) of the deceased and empathize/commiserate about his/her passing (reality) be just as comforting?



"Agnostics I can understand, but Christianity just seems like a joy destroying quest with an agenda to undermine one of the primary components of this societies culture especially when attempts are made to completely remove it from public life."

Besides the fact that, as you mentioned above, the majority of our country are Christians (but we do have laws, and logic, that tell us that just because a majority believe one thing, the minority does not have to believe this as well), my above statement makes just as much sense as the same one you made about atheism. Now, I don't really agree with either statement, but the reasoning used for the former can be applied to the latter. We take "components of this societies culture" to mean the freedom to believe in what you want (your case - Christianity; mine - atheism). And we take "attempts to completely remove it from public life" as the opposition to making laws (applicable to all citizens, of course) regulating the beliefs of one religion or another. We know that is doesn't mean the complete abolition of religion - what you make it sound like in your statement. Just like I would hope that you wouldn't try to completely remove my right to "practice" atheism from public life.



Again, the statement, "Agnostics I can understand, but Christians", works just as well from the other side...

In reality, we are all agnostic. As we've concluded over these thousands of posts, you cannot prove either the existence or non-existence of God or gods or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. So none of us "know" for sure. Yes, we "believe" or "think" or "feel"... but we don't really know. We just lean one way or the other, and some people to further extremes. I lean toward the atheist side based on everything that I have learned, read, heard, experienced, reasoned, discussed, contemplated, discovered and thought over my 32 years on this earth (including 18 years raised as a Christian). It just makes more sense to me...
Your lengthy responses is exactly the problem I have with those that lean atheist and have no problem trying to implement it in public policy. Your attempt at replacing atheism with Christianity just did not mesh well at. Though you do say you don't wish to completely remove it at the end, there are many that would. Yes, the majority of our culture is Christian leaning and not by a slim margin like your illogical 51-49 odd women to men split argument, but greater than 80%. This is already evidenced by Christmas and Easter being designated as Federal holidays! It was evidenced by Congress singing God Bless America on September 11th. That is our culture. I am a moderate so I am not in favor of complete religious based doctrine controlling all the issues, but I certainly don't want the US government recognizing and finding God only in the time of crisis.

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