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Old 11-17-2007, 07:12 PM   #637 (permalink)
Lenzilla
 
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Originally Posted by kailuaboy View Post
Well, I am not chatholic so I dont do the hail mary thing or wash my hands and stuff like that. I simply believe that Jesus died for our sins, so we dont have to do that, and sacrifice animals anymore.

As for picking and choosing which laws to live by; I chose to acknowledge that God's law is absolute. However, because of my human/sinful nature, I also acknowledge that I am not perfect and that no one is perfect. I know what you mean about people (of any religious standpoint) who are hypocrites. However, you will never catch me say, you shouldn't do this, and then 5 minutes later do the same thing (either in front of you, or behind close doors). That is one thing I have learned not to do. I cant stand when people do that. LOL... my parents did it alot when I was growing up. Dont drink, dont swear, ect. and they would do the same things right in front of us.

There are some rules/laws that are outdated (Old Testament) that we no longer have to do. God has the authority to change them any time he wants. Yeah, He should have a little disclaimer at the bottom. But, by the grace of God, He sent Jesus to die for our sins. What it seems that you are saying, is that we should feel guilty of sinning all the time. Well, I tell you I dont feel guilty, I feel convicted, embarrassed, and humbled, to know that I am not perfect. I simply pray asking Jesus to forgive me and know that He has, and I continue trying to live my life for Him.

Everyone is given free will and sadly there are a few that claim to be doing Gods will and work and later sin, and sin so bad that it gets into the public eye (child molestation comes to mind, which I believe should be punished very severe, death penelty or life in prison for sure). But, like everyone else, they have to answer for their sins (court) and ask Jesus to forgive them.



I try not to make people feel different for me not believing in their own view (not mine). I have flown with gay people, atheists, different religions, etc. and even Christians. Sure, the subject/topic comes up every now and then, but, I have no ill feelings towards anyone. I joke the same with all of them, and do my job as a professional the same will all of them. My religious views do not get in the way of my job, nor do I try and "convert" anyone to my point of view. I do however (if the subject comes up) let people know my view and what I believe.

I hope I have made my point clear. I tend to ramble at times.
Actually, no. You haven't clarified anything. It sounds like you're just toning down your last post a little. Yup, you have free will, but your explanation sounds like it's used as an excuse. Just because you were "blessed with free will" doesn't mean you have to falter. Nor should you have to feel constantly guilty for things you do wrong, but my question remains...if someone (and once again, not necessarily you) continues to do something that's sinful, knowingly, and repeatedly-why should that individual continue to earn forgiveness. At what point do you say "gee whiz, I've really pushed this free will thing pretty hard, maybe I should try being a better person. " Or do so many people just rationalize a lot? "Well, the whole premarital sex rule thingy is pretty outdated, so I don't really think it apples any longer...off to the whore house I go." Pick any one of a hundred "rules" (I'm not even referring to molestation, etc.-I would never claim that instances of such behavior are more or less rare within the church) and you'll find plenty of people who will find a way to rationalize their way around it. Again, to err is human, but to flagrantly disobey the rules is another matter altogether. And "god gave us free will" is the excuse I hear most.

Secondly, you still haven't explained to me why my life is so pointless. That's the comment that got me all fired up to begin with. So, please...tell me why my life is so meaningless. Would my family be better off if I just died or disappeared? Would I be missed by no one (other than my fellow atheists)? I want an explanation. Perhaps if you could convince me, I'd leave my family so that they may lead a "better" life with a person much "better" than myself.
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